Purpose and design (Evolution)
dhw: An autonomous (perhaps God-given) IM excludes chance. If God exists, I don’t have a problem with him dabbling humans, though with his now unlimited powers I’m a bit surprised that once conditions were OK, he had to do so many different dabbles. At least the Creationists have him doing it all in one go. But no, my real problem is with your irrational insistence that he specifically designed every natural wonder etc. solely for the sake of humans.
If you accept God is purposeful He provides every help He needs to to continue his chosen method of evolving life and humans.
DAVID: We can muse and discuss whatever has some scientific factual substance. Your comment: "next moment you tell us there is no point in trying to study him" is not consistent with my statements. I have always said study Him through His works. Many of us can certainly see His purpose, even if you cannot.
dhw: By studying God, I understand trying to work out his nature and his purpose. You do not want to discuss his nature because it is unknowable and one must not humanize, and you only want to talk about purpose if it is the one and only purpose you believe in, which is to produce humans.
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dhw,
2017-04-07, 17:22
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-07, 21:33
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-08, 05:55
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dhw,
2017-04-08, 13:03
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-08, 15:42
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-08, 18:13
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-08, 18:53
- Purpose and design - dhw, 2017-04-09, 09:47
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John Kalber,
2017-07-04, 17:19
- Purpose and design - John Kalber, 2017-07-04, 17:22
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-07, 22:24
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-08, 05:58
- Purpose and design - BBella, 2017-04-08, 19:46
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David Turell,
2017-04-08, 00:09
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dhw,
2017-04-08, 13:22
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David Turell,
2017-04-08, 16:07
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BBella,
2017-04-08, 20:30
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David Turell,
2017-04-08, 23:55
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BBella,
2017-04-09, 00:14
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-09, 00:50
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BBella,
2017-04-09, 00:14
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David Turell,
2017-04-08, 23:55
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dhw,
2017-04-09, 09:38
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David Turell,
2017-04-09, 14:50
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dhw,
2017-04-10, 11:42
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David Turell,
2017-04-10, 15:26
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dhw,
2017-04-11, 11:53
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David Turell,
2017-04-11, 18:54
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dhw,
2017-04-12, 10:50
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David Turell,
2017-04-12, 22:34
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dhw,
2017-04-13, 10:25
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-13, 22:25
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dhw,
2017-04-13, 10:25
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David Turell,
2017-04-12, 22:34
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dhw,
2017-04-12, 10:50
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-12, 03:09
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dhw,
2017-04-12, 10:55
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David Turell,
2017-04-12, 22:30
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dhw,
2017-04-13, 10:19
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David Turell,
2017-04-13, 22:19
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dhw,
2017-04-14, 11:42
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David Turell,
2017-04-14, 15:42
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dhw,
2017-04-15, 12:59
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-15, 18:58
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dhw,
2017-04-16, 14:53
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David Turell,
2017-04-16, 16:23
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dhw,
2017-04-17, 13:22
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David Turell,
2017-04-17, 23:38
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dhw,
2017-04-18, 09:30
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David Turell,
2017-04-18, 15:27
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dhw,
2017-04-19, 12:09
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David Turell,
2017-04-19, 15:59
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-19, 20:06
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David Turell,
2017-04-20, 00:21
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-20, 04:42
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dhw,
2017-04-20, 13:04
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David Turell,
2017-04-20, 16:16
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dhw,
2017-04-21, 13:52
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-21, 18:32
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dhw,
2017-04-22, 11:21
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-23, 00:27
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-23, 02:16
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dhw,
2017-04-23, 10:17
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David Turell,
2017-04-23, 14:52
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dhw,
2017-04-24, 14:52
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David Turell,
2017-04-25, 00:39
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dhw,
2017-04-25, 09:54
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David Turell,
2017-04-25, 19:40
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dhw,
2017-04-26, 09:35
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 13:57
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-26, 19:16
- Purpose and design - Balance_Maintained, 2017-04-27, 05:33
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David Turell,
2017-04-26, 19:16
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David Turell,
2017-04-26, 18:21
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dhw,
2017-04-27, 12:37
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-27, 20:13
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dhw,
2017-04-27, 12:37
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 13:57
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dhw,
2017-04-26, 09:35
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David Turell,
2017-04-25, 19:40
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dhw,
2017-04-25, 09:54
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David Turell,
2017-04-25, 00:39
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dhw,
2017-04-24, 14:52
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-23, 23:52
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-24, 00:06
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David Turell,
2017-04-23, 14:52
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dhw,
2017-04-24, 14:56
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-25, 00:39
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dhw,
2017-04-25, 09:47
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-25, 19:30
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 01:25
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dhw,
2017-04-26, 09:41
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 14:12
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David Turell,
2017-04-26, 19:21
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-27, 05:49
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-27, 19:56
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Balance_Maintained,
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dhw,
2017-04-27, 12:09
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David Turell,
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dhw,
2017-04-28, 17:51
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David Turell,
2017-04-29, 00:58
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-29, 05:51
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David Turell,
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- Purpose and design - Balance_Maintained, 2017-04-29, 15:35
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David Turell,
2017-04-29, 15:30
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dhw,
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David Turell,
2017-05-01, 18:57
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dhw,
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David Turell,
2017-05-02, 18:31
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dhw,
2017-05-03, 12:56
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David Turell,
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dhw,
2017-05-04, 12:04
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David Turell,
2017-05-05, 01:32
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dhw,
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- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-05-06, 00:06
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dhw,
2017-05-05, 12:36
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David Turell,
2017-05-05, 01:32
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dhw,
2017-05-04, 12:04
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David Turell,
2017-05-03, 15:14
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dhw,
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David Turell,
2017-05-02, 18:31
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dhw,
2017-05-02, 11:51
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David Turell,
2017-05-01, 18:57
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-29, 05:51
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David Turell,
2017-04-29, 00:58
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dhw,
2017-04-28, 17:51
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-27, 22:18
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-28, 00:02
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David Turell,
2017-04-27, 20:00
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David Turell,
2017-04-26, 19:21
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-26, 18:28
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 14:12
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dhw,
2017-04-26, 09:41
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dhw,
2017-04-25, 09:47
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-25, 00:39
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-23, 01:42
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-23, 00:27
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dhw,
2017-04-22, 11:21
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-21, 22:11
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-21, 18:32
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-21, 13:52
- Purpose and design - Balance_Maintained, 2017-04-20, 16:32
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-20, 16:16
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dhw,
2017-04-20, 13:04
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-20, 04:42
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-20, 00:21
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dhw,
2017-04-20, 12:51
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-20, 18:56
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dhw,
2017-04-21, 14:00
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David Turell,
2017-04-21, 22:19
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dhw,
2017-04-22, 11:27
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David Turell,
2017-04-23, 02:00
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dhw,
2017-04-23, 10:37
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-23, 15:16
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-24, 00:11
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-24, 05:06
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-24, 14:58
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-25, 00:55
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 01:04
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-26, 01:31
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 13:53
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-26, 18:41
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 13:53
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-26, 01:31
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 01:04
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-25, 00:55
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-23, 10:37
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-23, 02:00
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dhw,
2017-04-22, 11:27
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-21, 22:19
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-21, 14:00
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-20, 18:56
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-19, 20:06
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-19, 15:59
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-19, 12:09
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-18, 15:27
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-18, 09:30
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-17, 23:38
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-17, 13:22
- Purpose and design -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-17, 05:25
- Purpose and design - dhw, 2017-04-17, 13:26
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-16, 16:23
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-16, 14:53
- Purpose and design - Balance_Maintained, 2017-04-17, 05:17
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-15, 18:58
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-15, 12:59
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-14, 15:42
- Purpose and design -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-17, 05:09
- Purpose and design - David Turell, 2017-04-17, 23:12
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-14, 11:42
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-13, 22:19
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-13, 10:19
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-12, 22:30
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-12, 10:55
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-11, 18:54
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-11, 11:53
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-10, 15:26
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-10, 11:42
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-09, 14:50
- Purpose and design -
BBella,
2017-04-08, 20:30
- Purpose and design -
David Turell,
2017-04-08, 16:07
- Purpose and design -
dhw,
2017-04-08, 13:22
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Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-07, 21:33