Explaining natural wonders (Animals)
dhw: As usual, when confronted by the unlikelihood of your own hypothesis, you scurry away to the safety of attacking the chance hypothesis. The point of the cellular (perhaps God-given) intelligence hypothesis is that it does NOT rely on chance. It relies on intelligence. - DAVID: I view any intelligence as God-given, never self developed by cells. - I have explicitly allowed for their intelligence being God-given. The point of this exchange was that intelligence does not rely on chance. - dhw: If we substitute intelligent cell communities cooperating to produce increasingly complex mechanisms, we remove chance from the hypothesis. - DAVID: You have invented cells which invent cell intelligence, while I admit it can exist if given by God. - I have never claimed that cells invented cell intelligence. I do not know where their (hypothetical) intelligence came from, but I have always explicitly allowed for it to be given by God. I am pleased to see that you now agree to the possibility that cells are intelligent, and that is the central point of my hypothesis that evolution is driven by cellular intelligence and not by chance or by divine preprogramming and/or dabbling (= divine “guidance”). Thank you.
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
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- bacterial intelligence using molecular switch - David Turell, 2017-10-13, 21:57
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
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dhw,
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
dhw,
2017-10-15, 09:05
- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
David Turell,
2017-10-14, 15:27
- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
David Turell,
2017-10-13, 18:57
- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
dhw,
2017-10-13, 11:04
- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
David Turell,
2017-10-12, 14:43
- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
dhw,
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
dhw,
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David Turell,
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
dhw,
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- bacterial intelligence shown to be DNA driven -
David Turell,
2017-10-09, 17:27
- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
David Turell,
2017-06-17, 19:33
- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
dhw,
2017-06-17, 12:28
- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
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dhw,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
David Turell,
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- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
dhw,
2017-05-20, 10:30
- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
David Turell,
2017-05-19, 15:27
- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
dhw,
2017-05-19, 13:05
- Explaining natural wonders: bacterial intelligence -
David Turell,
2017-05-18, 18:58
- Explaining natural wonders -
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- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-05-08, 13:46
- Explaining natural wonders -
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dhw,
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2017-05-06, 00:03
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dhw,
2017-05-05, 12:33
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2017-05-05, 01:26
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-05-04, 11:59
- Explaining natural wonders -
David Turell,
2017-05-03, 15:09
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-05-03, 12:43
- Explaining natural wonders -
David Turell,
2017-05-02, 18:23
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-05-02, 11:40
- Explaining natural wonders -
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2017-05-01, 18:55
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-05-01, 08:46
- Explaining natural wonders -
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2017-04-29, 00:48
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-04-28, 17:41
- Explaining natural wonders -
David Turell,
2017-04-27, 20:22
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-04-27, 12:42
- Explaining natural wonders -
Balance_Maintained,
2017-04-26, 14:22
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-04-26, 09:46
- Explaining natural wonders -
David Turell,
2017-04-25, 20:04
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2017-04-25, 10:08
- Explaining natural wonders -
David Turell,
2016-12-04, 15:24
- Explaining natural wonders; addendum -
dhw,
2016-09-29, 12:53
- Explaining natural wonders; addendum -
David Turell,
2016-09-29, 00:47
- Explaining natural wonders; addendum -
David Turell,
2016-09-27, 18:57
- Explaining natural wonders -
David Turell,
2016-09-27, 16:17
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2016-09-27, 14:45
- Explaining natural wonders -
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2016-09-26, 15:09
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dhw,
2016-09-26, 12:35
- Explaining natural wonders -
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2016-09-25, 15:01
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dhw,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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dhw,
2016-09-22, 13:00
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2016-09-21, 19:30
- Explaining natural wonders -
dhw,
2016-09-21, 12:56
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dhw,
2016-09-20, 16:38
- Explaining natural wonders -
David Turell,
2016-09-19, 15:55
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dhw,
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dhw,
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