Logic and evolution (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, July 09, 2016, 12:39 (3058 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: What I can't seem to get you to accept is the issue of biologic complexity and the appearance of such giant-stepwise complexity that a planning mind must exists to create such leaps in complexity. If life arose from inorganic matter on its own (chance) where does the intelligence for such planning come from?-dhw:The issue of biologic complexity was one of the major factors that turned me away from atheism to agnosticism. One thing I can't seem to get you to accept is that there may be TWO kinds of planning mind. One is your God's, who may have planned the inventive mechanism, and the other is the inventive mechanism itself.-DAVID: Please tell me how the IM appeared, if not through God? -Already answered dozens of times, including the quote below: three hypotheses (top-down God, chance, bottom-up panpsychism), none of which I can accept. 
 
dhw: The next thing I can't seem to get you to accept is that there are different theories about where intelligence might have come from originally [...] and I am unable to accept ANY of them.
DAVID: But we see the evidence of intelligence, and I know you are unable to accept the logic that a planning mind is necessary to create the complexity in evidence.-Once again: I have accepted that logic for evolution, and have pointed out that there are TWO kinds of planning mind - God's and that of the organisms themselves. And there are three hypotheses for the origin of intelligence...see above.