Dualism (Identity)

by David Turell , Sunday, March 22, 2015, 00:53 (3533 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained


> Tony: If Heaven and Hell are real, why do they see dead people floating around outside windows?-My patients and the stories I have read always describe dead people they knew. Never live persons. Since you and I have discussed that people are living souls, incased in a body that can die, my approach is different. In my view the souls go to an afterlife, no physical body involved. That container is dead and buried. In the Jewish religion Heaven and Hell are concepts of no importance, as I have indicated. In the afterlife I assume a soul may have a familiar appearance to the observer, an outer aura. The communication experienced is always telepathic according to the NDE'rs.-
> Tony: if Heaven and Hell are NOT real, why do they report visiting heaven and seeing their relatives there?-This is your issue not mine. I don't care about the heaven/hell concept.-
> Tony: If the dead are conscious, then are they in heaven, hell, or here?
> If the dead are NOT conscious, then who was it that they saw?-I've explained my concept. It is souls, not bodies. 
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> Tony: If the dead are not conscious, then both groups (those that reported heavenly dead ones and those that reported earthly dead ones) are either lying or have been had. -I've explained why I don't accept this approach.
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> Tony: If we accept the bibles postulates that:
> (a) The dead are conscious of nothing
> (b) That there are other spirit creatures in existence (angels and demons)
> (c) That there is a struggle going on among those creatures concerning God's right to rule.
> (d) That the struggle included which side humans would choose to be on.-My religion doesn't think the way you do. I don't care about angels and demons, for as far as I am concerned they are of no issue.
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> Tony: Then what we have is the following scenario:
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> There are no conscious dead human spirits on earth, in heaven, or in hell. That spirit creatures are using a form of propaganda/deception to garner support for their side of the battle.
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> This is the only scenario that both (a) Explains why NDEr's see anything at all, (b) why they see different things, (c) does not require them ALL to be liars.-I appreciate your explaining your beliefs about this. We have been taught totally differently.