Dualism (Identity)

by dhw, Saturday, March 14, 2015, 18:10 (3541 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I don't see how that [ quantum mechanics] leads to the conclusion that consciousness is independent of the neurons, and that the brain receives consciousness but does not produce it.-DAVID: I'm proposing ,but have no idea if it is possible, that like a quantum computer the brain could be a quantum receiver for consciousness and receives quantum mechanism tools to make a consciousness appear from a basic brain neuron network.-It's wonderful how the word “quantum” gives a scientific gloss to all the obfuscation. We now have God giving the brain a blob of his consciousness plus the means of making the brain able to transform the blob of consciousness into consciousness. I'm not surprised, dear David, that you have no idea if it's possible. -DAVID: I start with the belief that the inorganic universe cannot invent consciousness. It had to exist from the beginning as the universe was created.
dhw: I wouldn't presume that any such pattern will be discovered. Nor would I presume that the future will show us how divine consciousness has always existed (theism), or how life and consciousness evolved from inorganic materials (atheism). Both sides start with a belief, and proceed to draw logical conclusions from a premise that has no basis other than pure speculation.-DAVID: And you sit on your fence, with no answer at all. I like answers. Maybe that is our difference. -Maybe. Or maybe I'm just harder to convince than you are.-dhw: It's a privilege, though, to throw ideas at one another, and I am grateful for all these exchanges.
DAVID: Agreed absolutely.-At least that's one thing we agree on!