Re: dhw--Epistemological Framework (Order of Rank?) (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, March 07, 2011, 15:23 (5009 days ago) @ David Turell

Does this mean that I exist at the same time with the inital cause of the infinite regress?
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> This sounds liked pre-determinism, everthing planned in advance. Yet another way of expressing it is, I was a potential at the BB, but not necessarily.
> -Your second way of expressing it is a little closer. Some forms of Vedic thought do think in terms of predetermination, but the division is about what you see in the west, with say Calvinism. When it is remembered that the singularity is ALL possibilities, there's no guarantee that you'll actually appear. But the potential is there.-> > Because we cannot truly separate cause and effect FROM cause and effect, the distance between us and 'initial cause' is zero. 
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> What you seem to say: My God and I continue to exist together; it seems to jump out at me. We continue our connection that was there in the beginning quantum plasma. The BB is all potential, constant evolution, and our concept of time is of no consequence. My arrival is contingency, a la Gould.
> -Yeah, you're getting it. This is why I liked process theology; the universe unfolds itself and God changes along with his creation in a continuous process. For the Hindus, one can find communion with God by mastering "the present moment." God doesn't exist yesterday or tomorrow, only today. -> If I am co-existing with my God, it seems to strengthen my belief system, not undermine it at all. 
> -Well, I wasn't actually trying to undermine anything; only share eastern perspectives. I thought I was a "miner." Am I an "underminer?" Maybe we can only find gold by going under...-> All of this is perfectly acceptable. It opens up my thinking but doesn't change anything. I am me. I look at reality around me the same way. I appreciate Gould a little more, but think he is totally wrong, as I still think evolution has coded directionality, and that explains much more satisfactorily where we are today than chance contingency.-Again... false distinctions, chance and design. Think process; no plan, only movement along an idea; inspiration on a cosmic scale. Explains much more than thinking of God as engineer... this view embraces chance and design as unity... not ALL things are guided.

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