Re: dhw--Epistemological Framework (Belief) (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Sunday, January 23, 2011, 07:00 (4861 days ago) @ dhw

Dhw,
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> Matt's response simply muddies the waters. Faith is a form of belief, and if we are to establish an epistemological framework, we MUST have a definition. Of the four "categories", only 1) is a belief:
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> 1) "The stars will show me my destiny." 
> 2) "If all goats are bofurs and all bofurs are yaks, then all goats are yaks." Logical fallacy.
Correct.-Bad choice of words on my part, but in deductive logic, only form is important. The form I was seeking was:
If p then q.
If q then r.
P
.: r -
> 3) "The sun rose yesterday." Fact/knowledge (unless you are reverting to a philosophical approach to defining knowledge, which I thought we had agreed would lead us nowhere).
> 4) "You have no idea what it feels like to be unloved!" I have no idea what sort of belief this is meant to illustrate, unless it's my belief that I can read your mind!
> -Maybe I should stay away from examples in the future... there is experiential belief. My friend Bill thinks that he has witnessed demons. (No joke.) On his part, this isn't faith. I accepted a common sense apprach to knowledge, but it conflicts with situations like Bill's.-> If you do not accept my definition of belief, please explain why, and please offer us a definition of your own.-I still classify belief into these 4 categories. I am not satisfied with the simplified version you offer. I retract my examples if that's what I have to do, but belief is a more complex entity than what your definition encompasses.-If you want to simplify, belief is synonymous with raw faith?

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