Re: dhw--Epistemological Framework (Belief) (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, January 31, 2011, 01:17 (4854 days ago) @ dhw

dhw,
... "Information which is accepted as being true by general consensus among those who are aware of it." 
> -Accepted definition of "knowledge." -> Belief is trickier. As regards "claim", I have no problem with the "philosophical" definition, which in any case is one of the everyday definitions. My complaint is that your use of it does not clarify the vital distinction between belief and knowledge. Your definition of belief is "acceptance of a claim". One of your examples of a claim is 1+1=2. I accept that claim, and so according to your definition, my acceptance = belief. But we have agreed that 1+1=2 constitutes knowledge. 
> -I might want to modify my agreement here. If 1, +, and = are all clearly defined, the statement 1+1=2 is really a deduction that says "if we have two single objects next to each other, they are each individuals, and when placed next to each other they have the property of twoness as a group." -
> New suggestion: Information which individuals accept as being true although there is no general consensus on its truth.
> (I think "awareness" is unnecessary here, since belief is individual.)
> -Accepted definition for "belief." -> Apologies for the length of this post, but you raised a lot of questions. I'd hoped our search for a framework would have moved onto my post of 24 January at 20.07, but I guess we're still stuck on definitions. Well, I'm game, though I suspect that you and I are now all alone in the universe.-I apologize for probably being... too dense perhaps by wanting the definitions to be as clear as possible. But as is my nature, I need to make sure that we're all in agreement in how to proceed.

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