Re: dhw--Epistemological Framework (Order of Rank?) (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, March 07, 2011, 03:27 (5009 days ago) @ David Turell

The real question isn't "Is there anything without a cause?" it is "Is there anything that isn't both a cause and an effect?" Chew on that for awhile. It's a completely different way of looking at things. Buddhists and Indians both think that this foundational thought is the first step to understanding the universe at large.
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> You seem to be saying that cause and effect are two parts of the same thing, not a relationship, but a unity. That suggests that cause and effect as an infinite regress does not exist and that cause and effect do not have a temporal relationship, or another way of putting it, part of an arrow of time. Does this mean that I exist at the same time with the inital cause of the infinite regress?-In a word, yes. If you think of the Big Bang, it was(is) everything that ever is(was). You've heard me say before in this regard that the only thing that truly exists is right now. The passing of time is an illusion of man's measurements. The universe is all-encompassing; my words in green. Study the permutations...-You're extremely close to both Vedic/Buddhist thought. Human psychology begins where we think to differentiate ourselves from the universe around us. Because we cannot truly separate cause and effect FROM cause and effect, the distance between us and 'initial cause' is zero. Viewed singly, there is an infinite amount of causes and effects that leads to David Turell. Viewed holistically, David Turell has always existed. -It's not hard to pick out where Kabbalah and Hinduism share common ground.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"