Junk DNA goodbye!: non-coding lncRNA & regeneration (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Monday, August 27, 2018, 01:56 (2063 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I do not believe they did it all at once. I am suggesting that lots and lots of round eggs fell off the cliff, and only pointy ones survived, and so in the end there were only pointy ones. Meanwhile, why don’t you answer my question? Do you believe your God preprogrammed pointy eggs 3.8 billion years ago, or personally dabbled them when he saw so many falling off the cliff?

DAVID: Again, your fealty to Darwin's hunt and peck chance approach. The pointed eggs require a specific type of cloacal shape, which must be created by a changed DNA. Either the cloaca makes round or pointed, not the possibility of both types. I'm sure God helped in design of the proper shaped egg for cliff-side dwelling with no nest to control the eggs.

dhw: I must confess that I’m not sure about most of the things we discuss, and I really have no idea of the history of pointy eggs. It is clear that the species would not have survived without them. And so we go back to your theory that your God preprogrammed or dabbled (= "helped") every innovation, lifestyle and natural wonder in order to balance nature so that life would continue until he could produce the brain of Homo sapiens. But I’ll be a real devil here, and suggest to you that even if the murre had gone extinct, our brain would still have evolved. And so, as with the turtle, I wonder why your God bothered with murres and pointy eggs. Alternatively, he may have designed a mechanism that would enable organisms to work out their own ways to cope with the environment. In which case, congratulations to the cell communities of the murre for pointy-shaping their cloacae and not having to join the other 90%+ of organisms that couldn’t cope.

Can you show me that 90% of the birds that laid round eggs on cliffs died? Also, can you show me the 10% of birds of this variety with round nests on cliffs that did survive? Or evidence that they ever laid round eggs on these cliffs? Or perhaps you could show me two of the same species of birds that have the genetic differences needed to go from round egg to pointy, with the round egg layer being an older specimen?

What about 10% of the whales that did not go into the water but survived? Where did they go? Where is the record of them? And don't tell me another damn fairy tale that has no objective evidence, no record, no traceable, documented process that took them from form A to form B.

Show me something that can be repeated in a lab, step-wise. We can manipulate DNA now, at will. Show me one, just one, scientist that has managed to make stepwise adjustments to DNA to take a creature from an amphibian to a reptile, or reptile to a bird or mammal. Hell, show me one that has managed to change one mammal into another. Hell, change one single celled organism into another single celled organism. Say, e coli to yeast.

In chemistry, we can prove the claims made by chemist by doing it. We have the technology now. So show me the evidence by reproducing the process. That is science.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.