Genome complexity: variation within species (Introduction)

by dhw, Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 12:40 (2896 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Remember what bacteria are using is intelligently designed information, from the beginning of life.
dhw: How do you tell the difference between “intelligently designed information” and autonomous intelligence, which your God may have provided “from the beginning of life”?
DAVID: My same old point. From the outside, the odds are 50/50, but with research on the inside what is found are automatic molecular responses to stimuli and reactions, n nothing more.

And my same old reply: This also applies to what is found inside the human brain. You cannot see the intelligence that gives rise to thought that gives rise to action. You can only see the molecular responses.

DAVID: A kidney excretory cell balances salt levels in the body and fluid balance while creating urine, which content is variable depending upon need. All totally automatic. Bacteria are no different in mechanisms observed.

And another same old: you always pick on an established organ which HAS to perform its function automatically because otherwise it won’t work. The point of my cellular intelligence hypothesis is to explain evolutionary INNOVATION, not what happens once the organ has been invented. As for bacteria, same old same old: the only way you can test whether they are intelligent is to set them new problems, which some experts have done, drawing the conclusion that they are intelligent.

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DAVID: A new discovery is that some survivors of antibiotics simple have a mechanism to go dormant until the danger is over:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/12/161219161610.htm

QUOTES: Post-Doc Alexander Harms explains: "This amazing resilience is often due to hibernation in a physiological state called persistence where the bacteria are tolerant to multiple antibiotics and other stressors. Bacterial cells can switch into persistence by activating dedicated physiological programs that literally pull the plug of important cellular processes. Once they are persisters, the bacteria may sit through even long-lasting antibiotic therapy and can resuscitate to cause relapsing infections at any time after the treatment is abandoned." (David’s bold)
"Bacterial persistence can therefore be compared to hibernation of animals or the durable spores produced by many mushrooms and plants.
"Across many different bacteria, these programs are controlled by a regulatory compound known as "magic spot" that plays a central role in the persistence phenomenon." (David’s bold)

David’s comment: My bolded areas show the automatic molecular controls that shift metabolism to alternate pathways. The term 'regulatory compound' is quite specific.

Same argument. Of course there have to be physical controls to adapt the body to physical threats. Some bacteria have them, some don’t. In all areas of life you have some individuals that have worked out how to solve problems, and others that haven’t. Successful solutions get passed on. I like the comparison with hibernation. That is also a method by which certain organisms are able to counter the threat of a hostile environment by “shifting their metabolism”. How did it ORIGINATE? Your God preprogramming or dabbling it in order to produce humans? Or your God (theistic version)) giving organisms the intelligence to work it out for themselves?