Innovation (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:27 (4207 days ago) @ dhw
edited by unknown, Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:32

dhw; However, with your own theistic hypothesis, I would say that God setting up a mechanism which autonomously produces innovations = evolution, but God intervening and manipulating the mechanism = creationism. Perhaps, then, you are a creationist evolutionist.-As I have stated right along, I am a theistic evolutionist, and the fundamentalist Christians don't like us. They are much more creationist than I am. They want more direct handling, less dabbling.
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> DAVID: Agnosticism is non-answer. It is the position of wishing to know, studying the information and then saying it is all too incredulous, so I can't make up my mind.
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> dhw:This is an accurate summing-up of my position. I am indeed incredulous, and see both theism and atheism as blind faith in an unknown power (God/chance) whose workings we do not understand. Why do both camps feel the NEED to believe in something so unproven? What pressure forces you to abandon reason and take your leap of faith?-I understand your position. I just like to tie up a neat conclusion for me. Personal preference. I feel good about it. That feeling is part of the desired result. 
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> dhw: God is "thinking energy", its intelligence arrives nebulously, somehow it organizes its thoughts and planning, a mental bootstrapping by some unknown method all of which had to be in place before the big bang. That is the major weakness of your God theory. (Actually my panpsychist intelligence did NOT have to be in place before the big bang, which is a major strength of my hypothesis.)- No weakness. Your theory is weaker, avoiding first cause. What caused the big bang which resulted in a designer universe fit for life? You are simply popping in a weird mechanism after life starts, so your theory begins late in the game. I want a theory from the beginning. Give me a beginning in your theory.-Note how the big bang makes atheists uncomfortable. Should do the same for picket fence agnostics:- http://tbsblog.thebestschools.org/2013/05/08/some-five-star-members-of-the-i-hate-the-b...