Innovation (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, May 06, 2013, 17:57 (4220 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Then at last we can dispense with the idea that your God preprogrammed humans, since he couldn't preprogramme environmental change and therefore dabbled (i.e. experimented) or had to dabble (i.e. to fulfil his Turellian plan). -I've always thought that programming and dabbling were part of the process. It is required for all the factors we have discussed. I have no idea why God uses evolution of cosmos and humans. I think it shows He is not as all-powerful as religions ascribe to Him. -> DAVID: All apes lived together in the beginning of apedom. We were apes also. Then we descended and they didn't. Your point must be:"Only our ancestors had a climate change and were forced to change"? -> dhw: I don't understand your thinking here. The environmental-change proposition entails a particular group descending BECAUSE OF the change ... not "all the apes" separating before the descent. ..... Of course it's all speculation, but let's have a look at your own just-so story: in the year 4.399 million BC, a Universal Intelligence grabbed hold of a group of bononins, somehow reached inside their bodies, tweaked their genome, and lo and behold they descended from their trees, stood upright, and grew big brains, while all the other bononins, chimps, chumps and champs stayed up in the trees lookin' stoopid. Is this what you believe?-Actually 22 million years ago, and yes lots of tweaking. There is no reason in Darwin theory to cause an appearance of humans, or for that matter to have complex life appear from bacteria. I see no pressure at all from the records we study. Bacteria are still very successful, and if we'd leave the apes alone, they would be also.