Cell response to electric field (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, April 09, 2013, 19:04 (4247 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: And so, when you have rejected chance and God's preprogramming or separate creation of every single innovation in the history of life, you will I'm sure acknowledge that there is no alternative to a mechanism that does its own inventing, and that any living thing that can experiment, take its own decisions, and invent something totally new must have some form of "intelligence", as opposed to being an automaton. If you then claim that such a complex, inventive, "intelligent" mechanism must be the product of design and not chance, I for one won't kick up a fuss, though we shall continue to have fun disputing the source of the design.-I have skipped all the rest of your piece, because I think it is beside the point and you have unknowingly, in my opinion, misinterpreted what the scientists are saying. Your definition of intelligence and mine are totally different. From the next entry today by dhw:-> dhw: If intelligence is energy within matter, and is not the product but the cause of cells interacting, it could survive the death of the cells whose actions it triggers. -
> David: I don't know that 'intelligence is energy within matter', is a good description by itself. When we look the development of consciousness, those who think out of the box look at quantum mechanics and put consciousness and mind at a quantum level, although that is just a general description and no one seems to know just how that concept works. Thre is a general connectivity of quantum particles throughout the universe. That would fit extrasensory and psi phenomena, and perhaps panpsychism, whatever that weird term means. To redefine terms, intelligence is not consciousness. The level of intelligence is the proper use of thought and learned knowledge. It is an aspect of consciousness. If cellular matter is not conscious, but acts as if it is, then it is not intelligent, but it is using information automatically from coding it has been given by intelligence existing before the formation of the cell. -This is my key concept. It is concept presented by the Intelligent Design folks. Cells are not intelligent. They are filled with information they are programmed to use. This is all automatic. Just how this is accomplished is still not fully understood, and that is the research the mainstream scientists are referring to when they refer to the cells acting intelligently. Of course they act intelligently: they are filled with the information to do it, and are programmed to use that information expeditiously. It is the massive amount of programming that creates the automaticity seen in the way cells operate. And that concept is what imoplies that only intelligent design could have created what we are discovering.