Innovation (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, May 10, 2013, 23:13 (4216 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I don't know how you got this impression. Since life began with single cell organisms, every development had to be through cells combining in a new way, and every innovation had to take place within an existing organism. Of course each one had to be integrated with whatever was already there! If your God didn't "reach in" and manipulate the cells for every single new organ, then what you and I have agreed to call "the intelligent genome" did it through cooperation. -You don't understand biology; not your fault. Organs are made up with different kinds of cells that must follow a plan just like the plan that built your house. Yes, all the parts have to cooperate, that is obvious, but individual pieces of limber, electric wires, air ducts, plumbing pipes all have their places of traverse and of operation. And by themselves they don't know where or how to set up unless they are used by builders who understand the house plan which is also their goal. No matter how smart the genome is, it has to contain a plan and a goal. Your house needed an architect It appears most likely the original separate organs did also. Talk about the chicken and the egg! Try building a liver from scratch. It must receive nutrients from the GI tract to metabolize, by way of potal veins. It must then remake the nutrients into proper molecules and send them off in different blood vessels (veins other than the portal system. In the meantime, other liver cells are making the early parts of hormones, and other cels are producing bile to break down fats in the intestine so the fats can be absorbed. And at the same time the liver detoxifies molecules it doesn't like to get rid of them in the bile. (Many meds you take are gotten rid of this way.) And you want your cells to shake hands and create a liver, just as livers were created in the Cambrian.-I know your response will be the intelligent genome of each cell follows the master plan and the cells cooperate. Yes, they are forced to by the central plan in the genome. Who was the architect plan in the genome? It just cooperated itself among the cells to that final success of a competent liver? Your proposal is a hodgepodge. The development of the organs of the body need cental planning just as the Soviets did, but they failed, and our great planner gave us glorious bodies to enjoy.-
 
> dhw: Evolution therefore progresses in accordance with how these intelligences respond to environmental conditions, either adapting or innovating through cooperation. Hence the bush, which grows as and when these intelligences come up with their innovations. Neither by chance nor by central organization.
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> DAVID: Evolution looks a lot more organized to me with a central drive toward more complexity.-I left this to show how you are so wrong. You are describing chance response to chance changes to threats and environment.
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> dhw: That is because you believe in a God with a purpose. The drive towards complexity is clear-The drive to complexity is 'clear' because evolution reeks of teleology.