The Horrors of Evolution (Evolution)

by edinburgh04 , edinburgh, Tuesday, September 09, 2008, 15:52 (5717 days ago) @ edinburgh04

2) You stated previously that God's love was unconditional but that God hates evil and will punish it. What do you visualize as being the punishment? Do you believe that God loves paedophile rapists and murderers unconditionally, or is it possible that he would impose the condition of a changed attitude? (I'm sorry if that sounds ironic, but I can't find a better way of challenging the notion of unconditional love.) - God's love is not conditional, yet he still hates and punishes evil. Imagine you were a judge and one of your friend's children appeared before you in court. It is clear that he has committed the crime and is in the wrong. You care about the young man because he is the son of you friend but this does not make his crime less serious. You passing the the guilty sentence on him does not mean you care about him any less than when you send him a present at Christmas. If the young man says sorry it does not mean that you can let him off. God has perfect love for us but he is also a perfect judge he cannot let anything past. - Now let us look at God's standard the Ten Commandments: Do not lie. What do you call a person who tells lies? A liar. Have you ever told a lie? Do not steal. What do you call a person who steals? A thief. Have you ever stolen anything? Jesus said 'you have heard it was said to people long ago "Do not commit adultery" but I tell you whoever looks with lust has committed adultery in his heart. If your eye causes you to sin gouge it out and throw it away it is better for you to lose one part of your body than for the whole of your body to be thrown into hell.' If you have said yes to these things then you are a liar, a thief and an adulterer at heart and we have only looked at three of the ten commandment how would you do if you were judged by all ten? Would you be innocent or guilty? would you end up in heaven or hell? - Imagine the were two assassins one is good (he always hits) the other is bad (he always misses). Both are assign to kill the same person. The bad one shoots and misses then the good one shoots and kills the target. Morally which is better? - In the Bible it says:

Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15
 
In other words if you have ever thought to yourself I wish they were dead that is murder in God's eyes. The reason you did not murder was not because you are a good person but because you were afraid of what would happen to you. In Nazi Germany men were allowed to rape and murder without consequence. My fear is that we saw a glimpse of the common state of men's hearts. Each of us like to think that if we were in Nazi Germany we would be one of those who stood for what was right the reality is very few were. If the laws were taken away in the US or UK would we feel safe walking down the street. - If heaven is a perfect place we would need to be perfect to go there. If we are not perfect then we need to change. If we cannot change ourselves then we need to be changed by someone else. If we have freewill then will have to give permission to be changed. So it comes down to this are we willing to be changed and to ask for help. The Mulslim, the Church goer and the Agnostic all stand condemned for the wrong things they have done:

There is no difference for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Rom 3:23 - Now imagine in the court I mentioned earlier that you saw that your friend's son was broken by what he had done. You knew that he had seen how serious it was. And you were convinced he would never do anything like it again. Could you let him off? No, the victim is there in the court they need to see justice done. You decide to give him the maximum fine which neither he nor his family can pay. The young man breaks down in tears. The victim leaves satisfied that justice has been done. The court clears and you talk things through with your friend's son who knows he will have to go to prison because he cannot pay. You take your cheque book out and write him out a cheque for the full amount of the fine and offer it too him. The Bible says that this is what God has done for us: - For the wages of sin is Death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. Rom 6 - For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. 
1 Peter 3:18 - Our sins deserved death but Jesus died taking the punishment we deserve in our place and giving us the reward he deserved for a perfect life - eternal life.
 
A few years later the young man returns from University with a good degree and a great job offer. When he meets you he can't do enough to thank you. He does every little thing he can to please you not because he has to but because he wants you to know that he is grateful and could never repay you. This is the motivation we are to serve God with. - ...