Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller (Introduction)
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https://www.sciencealert.com/smallest-known-species-of-human-may-have-had-an-even-small...
"'This very rare specimen confirms our hypothesis that the ancestors of Homo floresiensis were extremely small in body size; however, it is now apparent from the tiny proportions of this limb bone that the early progenitors of the 'Hobbit' were even smaller than we had previously thought," Brumm says.
"Two notably tiny teeth – one from an adult and one from a child – were also found at the Mata Menge site during subsequent excavations in 2015 and 2016. The archeologists think their shape suggests H. floresiensis is descended from a Javan population of Homo erectus, challenging hypotheses suggesting the small human might have split away from a more ancestral African species.
"'The evolutionary history of the Flores hominins is still largely unknown," says Brumm.
"'He says the fossils suggest this species of human "did indeed begin when a group of the early Asian hominins known as Homo erectus somehow became isolated on this remote Indonesian island, perhaps one million years ago, and underwent a dramatic body size reduction over time".
"While modern inhabitants of the Indonesian highlands, the Rampasasa, are also small in size, a 2018 genetic study showed no evidence of a direct relationship to H. floresiensis.
(my bold)
"There may even be benefits favoring small-statured humans in this particular environment similar to those that benefit many island-bound animals of reduced size, leading to the tiny trait evolving multiple times.
Comment: note my bold. If the Rampasasa are H. sapiens what are the Hobbits? Are they so mutated their DNA is really different andv hides a relationship?
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- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-04, 21:58
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-05, 08:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 15:22
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 18:13
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:56
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion - David Turell, 2017-08-06, 15:24
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:56
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:51
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-06, 15:20
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-07, 09:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 01:16
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:57
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 18:44
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-09, 09:02
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-09, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-10, 08:54
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:29
- Convoluted human evolution: migration to SE Asia -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:55
- Convoluted human evolution: 45,000 year old cave art - David Turell, 2021-01-13, 22:31
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-11, 10:40
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-11, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-12, 10:33
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-12, 14:59
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-13, 11:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-13, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-14, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-14, 17:17
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-15, 11:41
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-15, 19:21
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-01, 21:31
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-02, 13:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-02, 14:46
- Convoluted human evolution:new human footprints 2 - David Turell, 2017-09-02, 22:54
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-03, 13:56
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-03, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: early primates confuse -
David Turell,
2017-09-09, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution:late tree newly described - David Turell, 2017-09-19, 20:30
- Convoluted human evolution: early primates confuse -
David Turell,
2017-09-09, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-03, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-02, 14:46
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-02, 13:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-01, 21:31
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-15, 19:21
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-15, 11:41
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-14, 17:17
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-14, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-13, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-13, 11:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-12, 14:59
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-12, 10:33
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-11, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: migration to SE Asia -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-10, 08:54
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-09, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-09, 09:02
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 18:44
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:57
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 01:16
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-07, 09:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-06, 15:20
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 18:13
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 15:22
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-05, 08:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-04, 21:58
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-04, 09:48
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-03, 14:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-03, 10:50
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-02, 19:38
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-02, 14:04
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-01, 17:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-01, 12:18
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-31, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-31, 08:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-30, 18:24
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-30, 10:47
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-29, 14:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-29, 08:53
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-28, 19:35
- Convoluted human evolution: founder effects -
David Turell,
2017-06-02, 15:18
- Convoluted human evolution: Early spine changes -
David Turell,
2017-06-01, 00:54
- Convoluted human evolution: Early spine changes -
David Turell,
2017-05-22, 20:43
- Convoluted human evolution: earliest environment -
David Turell,
2017-05-15, 23:06
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-12, 13:18
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
David Turell,
2017-05-12, 00:07
- Convoluted human evolution: another 'hobbit' type found -
David Turell,
2019-04-11, 00:47
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-12, 22:48
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
dhw,
2019-04-13, 11:31
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-13, 15:44
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovan immunity contribution -
David Turell,
2023-01-18, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: role of virus DNA -
David Turell,
2023-01-20, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 16:24
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art? , fire? -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 22:09
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art refuted -
David Turell,
2023-11-15, 17:42
- Convoluted human evolution: adding 'f' and 'v' to language -
David Turell,
2023-11-24, 16:12
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthals possibly spoke -
David Turell,
2023-11-25, 18:42
- Convoluted human evolution: criticism about H. naledi -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 15:37
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 19:45
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller - David Turell, 2024-08-07, 16:47
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 19:45
- Convoluted human evolution: criticism about H. naledi -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 15:37
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthals possibly spoke -
David Turell,
2023-11-25, 18:42
- Convoluted human evolution: adding 'f' and 'v' to language -
David Turell,
2023-11-24, 16:12
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art refuted -
David Turell,
2023-11-15, 17:42
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art? , fire? -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 22:09
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 16:24
- Convoluted human evolution: role of virus DNA -
David Turell,
2023-01-20, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovan immunity contribution -
David Turell,
2023-01-18, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-13, 15:44
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
dhw,
2019-04-13, 11:31
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-12, 22:48
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-11, 14:05
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
David Turell,
2017-05-10, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-10, 12:01
- Convoluted human evolution: We are in control -
David Turell,
2017-05-09, 05:33
- Convoluted human evolution: Ancient N. American visit? -
David Turell,
2017-04-27, 18:59
- Convoluted human evolution: Still evolving? -
David Turell,
2016-07-12, 14:58
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-11, 13:01
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-10, 19:55
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-10, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-09, 23:43
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-09, 12:16
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-08, 19:34
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-08, 12:49
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-07, 20:04
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-06-17, 00:55
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal DNA -
David Turell,
2016-06-17, 00:43
- Convoluted human evolution: Another essay -
David Turell,
2016-04-02, 19:46
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal character - David Turell, 2016-08-22, 19:54
- Convoluted human evolution: More on Denisovans -
David Turell,
2016-03-17, 22:13
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal split -
David Turell,
2016-03-16, 23:03
- Convoluted human evolution: mixing subtypes -
David Turell,
2016-02-08, 15:18
- Convoluted human evolution:Red Deer Cave people -
David Turell,
2015-12-18, 01:38
- Convoluted human evolution: hobbits seperate species -
David Turell,
2015-11-19, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: Tattersall's view now -
David Turell,
2015-06-02, 02:19
- Convoluted human evolution: variation and interbreeding -
David Turell,
2015-05-26, 14:57
- Convoluted human evolution: very old tools -
David Turell,
2015-04-16, 19:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new Laos fossils -
David Turell,
2015-04-09, 02:31
- Convoluted human evolution: horizontal gene transfer -
David Turell,
2015-03-26, 18:43
- Convoluted human evolution: mutation rate -
David Turell,
2015-03-12, 14:47
- Convoluted human evolution: mutation rate -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-03-12, 04:59
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbits -
David Turell,
2013-07-11, 14:57