Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthals possibly spoke (Introduction)
New anatomic skull studies:
https://www.sciencealert.com/momentous-discovery-shows-neanderthals-could-produce-human...
"'The results are solid and clearly show the Neanderthals had the capacity to perceive and produce human speech. This is one of the very few current, ongoing research lines relying on fossil evidence to study the evolution of language, a notoriously tricky subject in anthropology."
"The notion that Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalis) were much more primitive than modern humans (Homo sapiens) is outdated, and in recent years a growing body of evidence demonstrates that they were much more intelligent than we once assumed. They developed technology, crafted tools, created art and held funerals for their dead.
"Whether they actually spoke with each other, however, has remained a mystery. Their complex behaviors seem to suggest that they would have had to be able to communicate, but some scientists have contended that only modern humans have ever had the mental capacity for complex linguistic processes.
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"They took high-resolution CT scans of the skulls of five Neanderthals to create virtual 3D models of the ear structures. They also modeled the ear structures in Homo sapiens, and a much older fossil - the skull of a Sima de los Huesos hominin, also known as the Sima hominin, the ancestor of Neanderthals, dating back to around 430,000 years ago.
"A model of the hearing capacity of these structures from the field of auditory bioengineering was then employed to understand frequency range to which the ears were most sensitive, also known as the occupied bandwidth. For modern humans, the occupied bandwidth is the human vocal range.
"The team found that Neanderthals had better hearing in the 4 to 5 kilohertz range than the Sima ancestor, and that the Neanderthal occupied bandwidth was closer to that of modern humans than that of the Sima hominin. This optimization strongly suggests that Neanderthals needed to hear each other's voices.
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"Interestingly, the occupied bandwidth of Neanderthals extended into frequencies above 3 kilohertz that are primarily involved in consonant production. This, the team noted, would distinguish Neanderthal vocalizations from the vowel-based vocalizations of non-human primates and other mammals.
""Most previous studies of Neanderthal speech capacities focused on their ability to produce the main vowels in English spoken language," Quam said.
"'However, we feel this emphasis is misplaced, since the use of consonants is a way to include more information in the vocal signal and it also separates human speech and language from the communication patterns in nearly all other primates. The fact that our study picked up on this is a really interesting aspect of the research and is a novel suggestion regarding the linguistic capacities in our fossil ancestors."
"Having the anatomy capable of producing and hearing speech doesn't necessarily mean that Neanderthals had the cognitive ability to do so, the researchers cautioned. But, they point out, we have no evidence that the Sima hominins exhibited the complex symbolic behavior, such as funerals and art, that we've found associated with Neanderthals.
"This difference in behavior parallels the difference in hearing capacity between Neanderthals and Sima hominins, which, the researchers say, suggests a coevolution of complex behaviors and the ability to communicate vocally.
"'Our results," they wrote in their paper, "together with recent discoveries indicating symbolic behaviors in Neanderthals, reinforce the idea that they possessed a type of human language, one that was very different in its complexity and efficiency from any other oral communication system used by non-human organisms on the planet.'"
Comment: human language is thought to have begun between 50-70,000 years ago. Did the older Neanderthal species have language earlier? This is all based on skull/ear studies, which means they are assuming the characteristics of the larynx's function as well as labiodental production of 'f' and 'v' sounds. Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:12
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- Convoluted human evolution: Early spine changes -
David Turell,
2017-06-01, 00:54
- Convoluted human evolution: founder effects -
David Turell,
2017-06-02, 15:18
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-28, 19:35
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-29, 08:53
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-29, 14:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-30, 10:47
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-30, 18:24
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-31, 08:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-31, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-01, 12:18
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-01, 17:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-02, 14:04
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-02, 19:38
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-03, 10:50
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-03, 14:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-04, 09:48
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-04, 21:58
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-05, 08:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 15:22
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 18:13
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:56
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion - David Turell, 2017-08-06, 15:24
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:56
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:51
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-06, 15:20
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-07, 09:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 01:16
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:57
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 18:44
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-09, 09:02
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-09, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-10, 08:54
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:29
- Convoluted human evolution: migration to SE Asia -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:55
- Convoluted human evolution: 45,000 year old cave art - David Turell, 2021-01-13, 22:31
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-11, 10:40
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-11, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-12, 10:33
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-12, 14:59
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-13, 11:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-13, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-14, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-14, 17:17
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-15, 11:41
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-15, 19:21
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-01, 21:31
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-02, 13:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-02, 14:46
- Convoluted human evolution:new human footprints 2 - David Turell, 2017-09-02, 22:54
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-03, 13:56
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-03, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: early primates confuse -
David Turell,
2017-09-09, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution:late tree newly described - David Turell, 2017-09-19, 20:30
- Convoluted human evolution: early primates confuse -
David Turell,
2017-09-09, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-03, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-02, 14:46
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-02, 13:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-01, 21:31
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-15, 19:21
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-15, 11:41
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-14, 17:17
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-14, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-13, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-13, 11:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-12, 14:59
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-12, 10:33
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-11, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: migration to SE Asia -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-10, 08:54
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-09, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-09, 09:02
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 18:44
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:57
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 01:16
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-07, 09:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-06, 15:20
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 18:13
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 15:22
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-05, 08:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-04, 21:58
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-04, 09:48
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-03, 14:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-03, 10:50
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-02, 19:38
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-02, 14:04
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-01, 17:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-01, 12:18
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-31, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-31, 08:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-30, 18:24
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-30, 10:47
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-29, 14:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-29, 08:53
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-28, 19:35
- Convoluted human evolution: founder effects -
David Turell,
2017-06-02, 15:18
- Convoluted human evolution: Early spine changes -
David Turell,
2017-06-01, 00:54
- Convoluted human evolution: Early spine changes -
David Turell,
2017-05-22, 20:43
- Convoluted human evolution: earliest environment -
David Turell,
2017-05-15, 23:06
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-12, 13:18
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
David Turell,
2017-05-12, 00:07
- Convoluted human evolution: another 'hobbit' type found -
David Turell,
2019-04-11, 00:47
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-12, 22:48
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
dhw,
2019-04-13, 11:31
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-13, 15:44
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovan immunity contribution -
David Turell,
2023-01-18, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: role of virus DNA -
David Turell,
2023-01-20, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 16:24
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art? , fire? -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 22:09
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art refuted -
David Turell,
2023-11-15, 17:42
- Convoluted human evolution: adding 'f' and 'v' to language -
David Turell,
2023-11-24, 16:12
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthals possibly spoke -
David Turell,
2023-11-25, 18:42
- Convoluted human evolution: criticism about H. naledi -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 15:37
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 19:45
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller - David Turell, 2024-08-07, 16:47
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 19:45
- Convoluted human evolution: criticism about H. naledi -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 15:37
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthals possibly spoke -
David Turell,
2023-11-25, 18:42
- Convoluted human evolution: adding 'f' and 'v' to language -
David Turell,
2023-11-24, 16:12
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art refuted -
David Turell,
2023-11-15, 17:42
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art? , fire? -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 22:09
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 16:24
- Convoluted human evolution: role of virus DNA -
David Turell,
2023-01-20, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovan immunity contribution -
David Turell,
2023-01-18, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-13, 15:44
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
dhw,
2019-04-13, 11:31
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-12, 22:48
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-11, 14:05
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
David Turell,
2017-05-10, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-10, 12:01
- Convoluted human evolution: We are in control -
David Turell,
2017-05-09, 05:33
- Convoluted human evolution: Ancient N. American visit? -
David Turell,
2017-04-27, 18:59
- Convoluted human evolution: Still evolving? -
David Turell,
2016-07-12, 14:58
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-11, 13:01
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-10, 19:55
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-10, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-09, 23:43
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-09, 12:16
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-08, 19:34
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-08, 12:49
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-07, 20:04
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-06-17, 00:55
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal DNA -
David Turell,
2016-06-17, 00:43
- Convoluted human evolution: Another essay -
David Turell,
2016-04-02, 19:46
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal character - David Turell, 2016-08-22, 19:54
- Convoluted human evolution: More on Denisovans -
David Turell,
2016-03-17, 22:13
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal split -
David Turell,
2016-03-16, 23:03
- Convoluted human evolution: mixing subtypes -
David Turell,
2016-02-08, 15:18
- Convoluted human evolution:Red Deer Cave people -
David Turell,
2015-12-18, 01:38
- Convoluted human evolution: hobbits seperate species -
David Turell,
2015-11-19, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: Tattersall's view now -
David Turell,
2015-06-02, 02:19
- Convoluted human evolution: variation and interbreeding -
David Turell,
2015-05-26, 14:57
- Convoluted human evolution: very old tools -
David Turell,
2015-04-16, 19:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new Laos fossils -
David Turell,
2015-04-09, 02:31
- Convoluted human evolution: horizontal gene transfer -
David Turell,
2015-03-26, 18:43
- Convoluted human evolution: mutation rate -
David Turell,
2015-03-12, 14:47
- Convoluted human evolution: mutation rate -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-03-12, 04:59
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbits -
David Turell,
2013-07-11, 14:57