Convoluted human evolution: 45,000 year old cave art (Introduction)
Found in Indonesia:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2264793-worlds-oldest-painting-of-animals-discover...
"Stunning cave paintings discovered in Indonesia include what might be the oldest known depictions of animals on the planet, dating back at least 45,000 years.
"The paintings of three pigs, alongside several hand stencils, were discovered in the limestone cave of Leang Tedongnge on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi. Even local people were unaware of the cave sites’ existence until their discovery in 2017 by Adam Brumm at Griffith University, Australia, and his team.
“'I was struck dumb,” says Brumm. “It’s one of the most spectacular and well-preserved figurative animal paintings known from the whole region and it just immediately blew me away.”
"Sulawesi is known to contain some of the world’s oldest cave art, but the new paintings may predate all other examples so far discovered on the island.
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“'It adds to the evidence that the first modern human cave art traditions did not arise in ice age Europe, as long assumed, but at an earlier point in the human journey,” says Brumm.
"Each of the three pigs is more than a metre long. The images were all painted using a red ochre pigment. They appear to be Sulawesi warty pigs (Sus celebensis), a short-legged wild boar that is endemic to the island and is characterised by its distinctive facial warts. “This species was of great importance to early hunter-gatherers in Sulawesi,” says Brumm.
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"Paul Pettitt at Durham University, UK, agrees that the discovery adds to evidence of human presence in the islands of south-east Asia. Early humans presumably crossed these islands to reach Australia – perhaps as early as 65,000 years ago – after migrating out of Africa.
"But Pettitt says: “Given the insufficient amount of human fossils in the region at this time, we cannot, of course, rule out authorship by another human species, like the Neanderthals [that] were producing non-figurative art in Europe.'”
Comment: Look at the art. It is impressive.
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David Turell,
2017-08-02, 19:38
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-03, 10:50
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-03, 14:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-04, 09:48
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-04, 21:58
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-05, 08:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 15:22
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 18:13
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:56
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion - David Turell, 2017-08-06, 15:24
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:56
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-06, 08:51
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-06, 15:20
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-07, 09:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 01:16
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:57
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 18:44
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-09, 09:02
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-09, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-10, 08:54
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:29
- Convoluted human evolution: migration to SE Asia -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:55
- Convoluted human evolution: 45,000 year old cave art - David Turell, 2021-01-13, 22:31
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-11, 10:40
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-11, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-12, 10:33
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-12, 14:59
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-13, 11:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-13, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-14, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-14, 17:17
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-15, 11:41
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-15, 19:21
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-01, 21:31
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-02, 13:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-02, 14:46
- Convoluted human evolution:new human footprints 2 - David Turell, 2017-09-02, 22:54
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-03, 13:56
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-03, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: early primates confuse -
David Turell,
2017-09-09, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution:late tree newly described - David Turell, 2017-09-19, 20:30
- Convoluted human evolution: early primates confuse -
David Turell,
2017-09-09, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-03, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-02, 14:46
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
dhw,
2017-09-02, 13:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new footprints on Crete -
David Turell,
2017-09-01, 21:31
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-15, 19:21
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-15, 11:41
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-14, 17:17
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-14, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-13, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-13, 11:12
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-12, 14:59
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-12, 10:33
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-11, 15:26
- Convoluted human evolution: migration to SE Asia -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-10, 18:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-10, 08:54
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-09, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-09, 09:02
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 18:44
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-08, 08:57
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-08, 01:16
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-07, 09:29
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-06, 15:20
- Convoluted human evolution:genetic explosion -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 18:13
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-05, 15:22
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-05, 08:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-04, 21:58
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-04, 09:48
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-03, 14:55
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-03, 10:50
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-02, 19:38
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-02, 14:04
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-08-01, 17:37
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-08-01, 12:18
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-31, 15:23
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-31, 08:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-30, 18:24
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-30, 10:47
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-29, 14:19
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
dhw,
2017-07-29, 08:53
- Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing -
David Turell,
2017-07-28, 19:35
- Convoluted human evolution: founder effects -
David Turell,
2017-06-02, 15:18
- Convoluted human evolution: Early spine changes -
David Turell,
2017-06-01, 00:54
- Convoluted human evolution: Early spine changes -
David Turell,
2017-05-22, 20:43
- Convoluted human evolution: earliest environment -
David Turell,
2017-05-15, 23:06
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-12, 13:18
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
David Turell,
2017-05-12, 00:07
- Convoluted human evolution: another 'hobbit' type found -
David Turell,
2019-04-11, 00:47
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-12, 22:48
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
dhw,
2019-04-13, 11:31
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-13, 15:44
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovan immunity contribution -
David Turell,
2023-01-18, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: role of virus DNA -
David Turell,
2023-01-20, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 16:24
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art? , fire? -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 22:09
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art refuted -
David Turell,
2023-11-15, 17:42
- Convoluted human evolution: adding 'f' and 'v' to language -
David Turell,
2023-11-24, 16:12
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthals possibly spoke -
David Turell,
2023-11-25, 18:42
- Convoluted human evolution: criticism about H. naledi -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 15:37
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 19:45
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller - David Turell, 2024-08-07, 16:47
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbit's ancestors even smaller -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 19:45
- Convoluted human evolution: criticism about H. naledi -
David Turell,
2024-08-06, 15:37
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthals possibly spoke -
David Turell,
2023-11-25, 18:42
- Convoluted human evolution: adding 'f' and 'v' to language -
David Turell,
2023-11-24, 16:12
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art refuted -
David Turell,
2023-11-15, 17:42
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials, art? , fire? -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 22:09
- Convoluted human evolution: H naledi burials -
David Turell,
2023-06-06, 16:24
- Convoluted human evolution: role of virus DNA -
David Turell,
2023-01-20, 15:27
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovan immunity contribution -
David Turell,
2023-01-18, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-13, 15:44
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
dhw,
2019-04-13, 11:31
- Convoluted human evolution: Denisovans may be three -
David Turell,
2019-04-12, 22:48
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-11, 14:05
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
David Turell,
2017-05-10, 18:25
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi ; recent -
dhw,
2017-05-10, 12:01
- Convoluted human evolution: We are in control -
David Turell,
2017-05-09, 05:33
- Convoluted human evolution: Ancient N. American visit? -
David Turell,
2017-04-27, 18:59
- Convoluted human evolution: Still evolving? -
David Turell,
2016-07-12, 14:58
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-11, 13:01
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-10, 19:55
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-10, 13:12
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-09, 23:43
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-09, 12:16
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-08, 19:34
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
dhw,
2016-07-08, 12:49
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-07-07, 20:04
- Convoluted human evolution: H. naledi branch -
David Turell,
2016-06-17, 00:55
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal DNA -
David Turell,
2016-06-17, 00:43
- Convoluted human evolution: Another essay -
David Turell,
2016-04-02, 19:46
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal character - David Turell, 2016-08-22, 19:54
- Convoluted human evolution: More on Denisovans -
David Turell,
2016-03-17, 22:13
- Convoluted human evolution: Neanderthal split -
David Turell,
2016-03-16, 23:03
- Convoluted human evolution: mixing subtypes -
David Turell,
2016-02-08, 15:18
- Convoluted human evolution:Red Deer Cave people -
David Turell,
2015-12-18, 01:38
- Convoluted human evolution: hobbits seperate species -
David Turell,
2015-11-19, 18:20
- Convoluted human evolution: Tattersall's view now -
David Turell,
2015-06-02, 02:19
- Convoluted human evolution: variation and interbreeding -
David Turell,
2015-05-26, 14:57
- Convoluted human evolution: very old tools -
David Turell,
2015-04-16, 19:00
- Convoluted human evolution: new Laos fossils -
David Turell,
2015-04-09, 02:31
- Convoluted human evolution: horizontal gene transfer -
David Turell,
2015-03-26, 18:43
- Convoluted human evolution: mutation rate -
David Turell,
2015-03-12, 14:47
- Convoluted human evolution: mutation rate -
Balance_Maintained,
2015-03-12, 04:59
- Convoluted human evolution: Hobbits -
David Turell,
2013-07-11, 14:57