Ontological Arguments (Humans)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Saturday, September 25, 2010, 21:09 (4981 days ago) @ xeno6696


> 1. Demonstrate something in my life that I regularly use that is an ontological-type argument... its possible that I have something like this in use somewhere in my framework. 
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> 2. Demonstrate why you think these kinds of arguments are valid; why should we accept them. Or more directly, "Why should I alter my epistemology in order to accommodate them?"
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> Or any other criterion that you think might persuade me. I'm trying to find a chink in the armor of materialism here... why is materialism wrong?-The easy one to pick right off the bat is the materialist cosmology models. i.e. No matter how far you go back, or which model you use, something had to come from nothing. Even with the latest 'quantum fluctuations triggered the Big Bang' line, what caused the quantum fluctuations? Eventually with that type of reasoning you will eventually get to a point where something came from nothing. And while in a way that doesn't fit the definition of Ontological, in a way it does. Perfect nothingness capable of creating something from itself(i.e. nothing) is no less a form of deism. But that is only my opinion.-The paragraph above also explains why they are valid. Something must exist in order for everything to exist. If something comes from 'nothing', then it wasn't 'nothing', it was something.-Belief in the manifest material universe around you is not 'wrong' per se. But to me, it is kind of like how we put blinders on horses so as not to scare them with the other stuff that is out there beyond their field of vision. Materialism, as an ideal, ignores what it can't comprehend. (No slight to you intended) For example, consciousness. This is something everyone is intimately aware of, yet it is not physical. It is greater than the sum of its parts. It can not be weighed, weighed, measured, or quantified. It simply is. Something either is conscious, or is not. And while there are degrees of consciousness, there are no intermediates between conscious, and not conscious.