A possible God's possible purpose and nature (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by David Turell , Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 16:34 (831 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: If he has thought patterns and emotions and logic like ours, and we mimic him, it is absurd to say that he is not “in any way” human.

Those comparisons are guesswork and do not reflect His sense of purpose in creation.

DAVID: I'm describing a purposeful God who knows exactly what He is doing, vastly different from the one you describe as you imagine possibilities for some sort of God.

dhw: You keep repeating this, and I keep repeating that a God who deliberately creates a free-for-all, or experiments, or tries new things out of interest, knows exactly what he is doing.

God doesn't have to experiment or deviate. Humanizing again.

DAVID: We can only try to define God's personality by His actions in what He created. And chose purposeful or not.

I answered this yesterday: “ "David’s God designed every species” is an action. How does that define his personality? You’re making a mockery of language. A personality is defined by words that describe it! For example, you think your God is “kindly” and so you dismiss any “unkindly” interpretation of his actions”.

Off point as usual. His actions producing unexpected humans shows God's purpose (Adler)

DAVID: The biochemistry of life works in a required soupy state where molecules are free to react improperly. [..]

dhw: So you agree that the molecules are free.

DAVID: Not totally free. They are built to fold and react automatically in a liquid environment in which there cannot be control restraints to monitor every change, because that would slow the necessary speed of the reactions.

dhw: Every species depends on automatic conformity to a pattern. But there has to be a degree of freedom for adaptation to new conditions and the production of new organs and organisms, and this same degree of freedom can lead to all the nasty diseases your all-powerful God did not have the power to control.

DAVID: You didn't respond to my discussion of molecular actions, but side-slipped into theodicy again. God gave us the only system that would work, recognized the probability of errors and added editing which works properly into the trillions of reactions required every nanosecond.

dhw: I have repeatedly replied that you cannot possibly know that your all-powerful God was unable to design a system without errors, and I suggest that your all-powerful God designed the system that he WANTED – and what you call errors were not errors but were/are life forms using their freedom to find their own ways of survival.

So you ignore mistakes that kill?

dhw: I have never claimed to be a biochemist, but I know enough to understand and accept the logic of the design argument. You don’t need to hammer this point home, but I’m happy to keep learning. However, I’m not happy when you try to switch the subject from the illogical flaws in your theistic theory of evolution to the logical use of life's complexity as evidence of your God’s existence. They are two different subjects.

DAVID: God is the designer, as I theorize, and as such designed every new stage of evolution. What is illogical about that?

dhw: Nothing. As usual you have left out your belief that every new stage of evolution, including all those that had no connection with humans, was part of his goal of evolving humans plus food. This diversionary strategy of yours has become almost painful. Please stop it.

I don't have to repeat what you already know about my theology.

DAVID: We differ in that my God is purposeful in action, and yours has to experiment, allow free-for-alls and seeks entertainment in very unGodly ways.

dhw: How do you know what is “godly”? In all my alternative theories, my God is just as purposeful as yours, but you disapprove of him having thought patterns and emotions like ours, even though you believe he has thought patterns and emotions like ours.

Off point as usual. Your imagined God personality is vastly different from mine. Years ago I commented we would never agree on Him. His is pure purpose with some probable attributes that we mimic.