A possible God's possible purpose and nature (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Friday, June 04, 2021, 10:51 (431 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Our free will is part of God's purposeful activities.

dhw: Then do please tell us your God’s purpose in giving us free will. And please note that creating an evolutionary free-for-all could also be part of your God’s purposeful activities. It depends on what his purpose is!

DAVID: Our huge brains allow free will of a vast magnitude, compared to other animals. I simply accept it as part of God's purpose in making humans. We ARE His purpose, and His underlying reason is open to guessing provided by theologians' guesses.

You “simply accept” that your God deliberately gave us the freedom to do our own thing, but you cannot even consider the possibility that he might have given other organisms the same freedom. You are happy to “guess” that God’s purpose in designing the brontosaurus was to design you and me (all life forms are “part of the goal of evolving [= specially designing] humans”), but you refuse to guess why he might have designed you and me.

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dhw: [...] Why shouldn’t your God – who according to you had a wish to create - have set out on a project of creation that would lead him both to create and to learn something new, and why shouldn’t our conscious minds be a reflection of the mind of what you believe to be their creator? You are desperate to impose your own image of a God who knows everything, is always in control, has only one goal, always has good intentions...

DAVID: Again a perfect description of your very humanized God. […] . God's works tell me He is as I believe.

dhw: Whether he is “humanized” or not is irrelevant. You have no more idea that I have about which thought patterns and emotions we might have “inherited” from the being you believe created us. […]. Now please tell me how his works disprove my suggestions and prove that your own “humanized” image of him is correct.

DAVID: As above we each have our own positions on God's personality.

Mine are fluid, yours is fixed. Now please tell us how his works disprove my suggestions and prove that your own “humanized” image of him is correct.

DAVID: Your view is God did not know how to create life until He experimented. But He could easily create a life-allowing universe or was that an experiment also?

dhw: I am offering experimentation as ONE theory, to explain why he might have created all those billions of galaxies and all those millions of life forms which you cannot explain. I see absolutely no reason why an eternally conscious mind should not wish to have a desire to create something new which he might find interesting. On what grounds do you reject this possibility? (Please don’t come up with “humanization” again – see my previous comment.)

DAVID: Can't help it. Your humanized God is not mine.

That does not explain why you reject the above possibility.

DAVID: I've offered reasonable answers to your questions which your rigidly closed mind won't accept.

dhw: […] No, you have not offered reasonable answers. You can’t explain why, if your God’s purpose was to design you and me and our lunch, he would have created millions of life forms and lunches that had no connection with you and me.

DAVID: Silly, the bush provides our lunch to eat. Without it we starve. You are illogical.

dhw: That is the CURRENT bush, which – as you yourself pointed out with perfect logic, and as I have quoted ad nauseam – has no connection with PAST bushes. So why did he create PAST bushes to feed “extinct life” which, in your own words, “has no role in current time”?

DAVID: Again spliced up evolution. Bushes of the past fed organisms of the past. Pure logic.

dhw: Thank you for recognizing the obvious absurdity of your theory that although your God's purpose was to design you and me and our lunch, he designed millions of life forms and their lunches which had no connection with you and me and our lunch.

DAVID: You needn't repeat your discontinuous slicing and dicing of a continuous evolutionary process which I believe was/is run by God's design.

If you tell us that over millions of years, your God specially created millions of life forms and lunches that had no connection with us, and he did so because we would have starved without them, I’m afraid you must expect me to point out that there is a slight problem of logic in your thinking.

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