Before the Big Bang? Addendum (Origins)
DAVID: The current pattern leading to Higgs IS considered complete.-Dhw (quoting from the CERN wbsite): "So although the Standard Model accurately describes the phenomena within its domain, it is still incomplete. (My bold) Perhaps it is only a part of a bigger picture that includes new physics hidden deep in the subatomic world or in the dark recesses of the universe. New information from experiments at the LHC will help us to find more of these missing pieces." Since you have already agreed that your concept of an integrated plan etc. is purely subjective, and you have also agreed that a great deal more work needs to be done, I would suggest that this particular aspect of the discussion is now a dead end. DAVID: I agree we are at a dead end. You have persisted in showing us what we don't know. My point only covered what we do know and that is totally comprehensible and allows accurate predictions.-I don't know why you persist in arguing that we should accept the truth of a theory even if it doesn't explain what we don't know. This is a complete reversal of your approach to evolution. You never cease to criticize Darwin's theory for its incompleteness, because we don't know the origin of life, the mechanisms of evolution, and the cause of the Cambrian Explosion. The articles I have referred to list the reasons why the Standard model is also incomplete. DAVID: We don't know what is beyond Higgs which leaves a lot unexplained. But what we have is a completed pattern for our knowledge of this segment of reality, which allows accurate predictions The LHC trudges on. We are very limited because the energies required got larger and larger. If we could repeat the big bang we could learn everything.-We don't know what is beyond common descent and natural selection, which both leave a lot unexplained. What we have is a totally comprehensible pattern for our knowledge of this segment of reality. We are very limited because the distance between ourselves and the many phases of evolution gets larger and larger. If we could repeat the history of life from the beginning we could learn everything.-However, I should just point out that if we repeated the big bang, we wouldn't be around to learn anything!
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dhw,
2014-07-03, 23:07
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David Turell,
2014-07-04, 02:44
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dhw,
2014-07-06, 22:00
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David Turell,
2014-07-07, 05:40
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dhw,
2014-07-08, 12:34
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2014-07-08, 15:11
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dhw,
2014-07-10, 14:39
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David Turell,
2014-07-10, 22:22
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dhw,
2014-07-11, 20:58
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David Turell,
2014-07-12, 22:52
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dhw,
2014-07-14, 12:01
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David Turell,
2014-07-16, 00:34
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dhw,
2014-07-23, 09:52
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David Turell,
2014-07-23, 17:06
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dhw,
2014-07-24, 19:33
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David Turell,
2014-07-24, 21:02
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dhw,
2014-07-26, 22:22
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David Turell,
2014-07-27, 16:24
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dhw,
2014-07-28, 10:16
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David Turell,
2014-07-28, 18:42
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dhw,
2014-07-29, 22:01
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David Turell,
2014-07-29, 23:31
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dhw,
2014-07-30, 21:10
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David Turell,
2014-07-31, 02:46
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dhw,
2014-07-31, 21:10
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David Turell,
2014-07-31, 23:01
- Before the Big Bang? Afterthought -
David Turell,
2014-08-01, 02:04
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dhw,
2014-08-01, 17:52
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- Before the Big Bang? Afterthought -
dhw,
2014-08-01, 17:52
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David Turell,
2014-08-01, 02:04
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David Turell,
2014-07-31, 23:01
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dhw,
2014-07-31, 21:10
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David Turell,
2016-08-12, 16:08
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dhw,
2016-08-14, 11:11
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David Turell,
2016-08-14, 19:32
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dhw,
2016-08-15, 12:13
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BBella,
2016-08-15, 18:13
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David Turell,
2016-08-15, 18:22
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BBella,
2016-08-15, 18:44
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David Turell,
2016-08-16, 00:32
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dhw,
2016-08-16, 12:39
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David Turell,
2016-08-16, 18:39
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dhw,
2016-08-17, 12:20
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David Turell,
2016-08-17, 23:52
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum - David Turell, 2016-08-18, 01:09
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dhw,
2016-08-18, 21:08
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David Turell,
2016-08-18, 22:59
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David Turell,
2016-08-19, 00:54
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dhw,
2016-08-19, 12:28
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David Turell,
2016-08-19, 20:36
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dhw,
2016-08-20, 12:19
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David Turell,
2016-08-20, 16:33
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dhw,
2016-08-21, 11:35
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David Turell,
2016-08-21, 18:05
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dhw,
2016-08-22, 13:27
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David Turell,
2016-08-26, 16:59
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dhw,
2016-08-27, 07:44
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David Turell,
2016-08-27, 23:31
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dhw,
2016-08-28, 16:18
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David Turell,
2016-08-29, 00:57
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dhw,
2016-08-29, 12:35
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David Turell,
2016-08-29, 19:03
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dhw,
2016-08-30, 11:47
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David Turell,
2016-08-30, 15:32
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dhw,
2016-08-31, 13:04
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2016-08-31, 18:20
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David Turell,
2020-12-11, 15:52
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
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- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-10, 17:59
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
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- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-09, 15:00
- Before the Big Bang? alterative theories denied -
David Turell,
2017-06-18, 23:33
- Before the Big Bang? alterative theories denied -
David Turell,
2017-06-15, 22:18
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-31, 18:20
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-31, 13:04
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-30, 15:32
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-30, 11:47
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-29, 19:03
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-29, 12:35
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-29, 00:57
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-28, 16:18
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-27, 23:31
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-27, 07:44
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-26, 16:59
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-22, 13:27
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-21, 18:05
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-21, 11:35
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-20, 16:33
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-20, 12:19
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-19, 20:36
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-19, 12:28
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-19, 00:54
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-18, 22:59
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-17, 23:52
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-17, 12:20
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-16, 18:39
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-16, 12:39
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-16, 00:32
- Before the Big Bang? -
BBella,
2016-08-15, 18:44
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-15, 18:22
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-15, 12:13
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-14, 19:32
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-14, 11:11
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-31, 02:46
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-30, 21:10
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-29, 23:31
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-29, 22:01
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-28, 18:42
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-28, 10:16
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-27, 16:24
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-26, 22:22
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-24, 21:02
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-24, 19:33
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-23, 17:06
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-23, 09:52
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-16, 00:34
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-14, 12:01
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-12, 22:52
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-11, 20:58
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-10, 22:22
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-10, 14:39
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-08, 15:11
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-08, 12:34
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-07, 05:40
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-06, 22:00
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-04, 02:44