Before the Big Bang? (Origins)

by David Turell , Thursday, July 10, 2014, 22:22 (3787 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Well, I'm on your side, so help me out here. You wrote: “The atheistic scientists always point to a virtual quantum vacuum from which all sprung by a 'perturbation', so it is never something from nothing, and by inference, eternal.” By “vacuum” I understand total emptiness, with no particles of any kind. What is a “virtual” vacuum as opposed to a real vacuum? How can there be a perturbation in something that contains no particles of any kind? -You are forgetting Ruth Kastner. In our reality there is nothing but in the quantum layer of reality there are always the particles which may decide to pertubate. It is the quantum layer which is eternal. Davies refers to it specifically. Krauss and Stenger do so also. That is not nothing as several philosophers of science have pointed out. I don't have my old documents to give you references but I assure you they exist.