Before the Big Bang? (Origins)

by David Turell , Thursday, July 24, 2014, 21:02 (3773 days ago) @ dhw


> DAVID: If space and time appear at the bb, you logic tells me the bb came from nothing! Where is your belief in cause and effect now? I have no problem with a timeless 'before'. True stasis is timeless.
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> dhw: I have argued all along that we have no idea when space and time appeared. We only know of space and time since the BB. Yes, true stasis would be timeless, but you have agreed that “BBs could have been going on ad infinitum”. So why assume “true stasis” and timelessness? Is this really more likely in your opinion than an endless process of energy transforming itself into matter, or your eternally conscious God actually doing something throughout past eternity rather than having nothing to think about except himself?-Energy becomes matter only in bb's according to our observations. Has there been only stasis and our bb or endless bb's? Who knows except God. The only thing we can observe is a creation through the bb. And pure energy has to be present first, in cause and effect.