Before the Big Bang? (Origins)
> dhw: You seem to understand the terminology, but clearly some terms have meanings beyond the range of normal language, which is why I need help. Owhich is nce again, what is the difference between a virtual quantum vacuum and a real quantum vacuum?-The only space we know is ours which is defined as a virtual vacuum because quanta potentially pop in and out of existence. Krauss and others make the assumption that it is that type of 'before' that existed before the bb. But I have astrong objection to that. How can anyone know that? There is no other kind of kind of space vacuum known to us., no 'real quantum vacuum'.- > dhw.: You have somehow distinguished between “our reality” and “reality”. Why do you say there is nothing in our reality? Is it not full of particles and perturbations?-If Kastner and Heisenberg are correct, there is another layeer whre all the intial quantum activity starts.Our layer is seeing the secondary parts of the quantum reactions. So the answer is,yes, but originatingin theprimary quantum layer.-> dhw: How can you know that the quantum layer of reality preceded our reality? How can you know that there were particles in the quantum layer of reality that preceded our reality, assuming it did precede our reality?-Of course I don't 'know', but if I accept cause and effect there must have some quantum something, which in mycase becomes energy/God. Exact form? Only God knows.-> dhw: I don't want to try your patience, but if you can answer these questions, it may help me to understand why your theory is feasible even though Vilenkin, Krauss and Stenger (and Davies in this article) insist there was no “before”.-Their "before" requires time which obviously does not exist. My logic says cause and effect must exist. They all use virtual quantum vacuum to create the bb. From no before! Do you really follow their logic?
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