Before the Big Bang? (Origins)
I have written a detailed analysis of Paul Davies' article on “what came before the big bang”, which David recommended as supporting his own views on quantum theory and the origin of the universe.-Dhw: I gather Davies an agnostic, which may explain some of his caginess, but makes it all the more surprising to me that he so firmly rejects any possibility of a “before”.-DAVID: I think he is actually a deist from all of his writings I have read. Why I think so is below in another essay for you. -Dhw: ...there is no support whatsoever for our shared belief in energy as an eternal cause - let alone your belief that eternal energy is conscious.-DAVID: For your further education into the scientific society, it is not cool to bring up any sniff of deity.-No, no, Dr David, this really will not do. If you have diagnosed that the patient has a broken left arm, and the x-ray shows he has a broken right arm, you do not send him off to have his left leg put in plaster. You claimed that Davies's essay supported your claim that “the universe comes from quantum fluctuations from eternal virtual particles”, and there was “an eternal timeless sort of nothing nothing but with quantum potentials of quantum energy before. Therefore something was always eternal.” I have shown that the article offers no such argument, but on the contrary specifically rejects any “before” and anything eternal. If you think Davies is emphatically presenting the case for the opposite of what he really believes, why refer us to this article? Why not give us a quote that really does support you? And why do you now ask us to read an article by a chemist expressing his doubts about macroevolution (we have discussed this endlessly), his unhappiness at academic prejudice (already mentioned in innumerable threads), and finally quoting the view that the gas chambers of Auschwitz were caused by “nihilistic scientists and philosophers”? It was you who directed us towards the quantum theory of the origin of the universe, and your version demands a “before”, which Davies rejects. I also believe in a “before”, so perhaps after this failure you can stick to the subject and find some genuine support from the quantum community.
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dhw,
2014-07-03, 23:07
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David Turell,
2014-07-04, 02:44
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dhw,
2014-07-06, 22:00
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David Turell,
2014-07-07, 05:40
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dhw,
2014-07-08, 12:34
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David Turell,
2014-07-08, 15:11
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dhw,
2014-07-10, 14:39
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David Turell,
2014-07-10, 22:22
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dhw,
2014-07-11, 20:58
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David Turell,
2014-07-12, 22:52
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dhw,
2014-07-14, 12:01
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David Turell,
2014-07-16, 00:34
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dhw,
2014-07-23, 09:52
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David Turell,
2014-07-23, 17:06
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dhw,
2014-07-24, 19:33
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David Turell,
2014-07-24, 21:02
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dhw,
2014-07-26, 22:22
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David Turell,
2014-07-27, 16:24
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dhw,
2014-07-28, 10:16
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-28, 18:42
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dhw,
2014-07-29, 22:01
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David Turell,
2014-07-29, 23:31
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dhw,
2014-07-30, 21:10
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David Turell,
2014-07-31, 02:46
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dhw,
2014-07-31, 21:10
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David Turell,
2014-07-31, 23:01
- Before the Big Bang? Afterthought -
David Turell,
2014-08-01, 02:04
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dhw,
2014-08-01, 17:52
- Before the Big Bang? Philosopher's view - David Turell, 2015-12-28, 21:19
- Before the Big Bang? Afterthought -
dhw,
2014-08-01, 17:52
- Before the Big Bang? Afterthought -
David Turell,
2014-08-01, 02:04
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David Turell,
2014-07-31, 23:01
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dhw,
2014-07-31, 21:10
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David Turell,
2016-08-12, 16:08
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dhw,
2016-08-14, 11:11
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David Turell,
2016-08-14, 19:32
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dhw,
2016-08-15, 12:13
- Before the Big Bang? - David Turell, 2016-08-15, 18:07
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BBella,
2016-08-15, 18:13
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David Turell,
2016-08-15, 18:22
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BBella,
2016-08-15, 18:44
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David Turell,
2016-08-16, 00:32
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dhw,
2016-08-16, 12:39
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-16, 18:39
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dhw,
2016-08-17, 12:20
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David Turell,
2016-08-17, 23:52
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum - David Turell, 2016-08-18, 01:09
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dhw,
2016-08-18, 21:08
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David Turell,
2016-08-18, 22:59
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-19, 00:54
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dhw,
2016-08-19, 12:28
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David Turell,
2016-08-19, 20:36
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dhw,
2016-08-20, 12:19
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David Turell,
2016-08-20, 16:33
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dhw,
2016-08-21, 11:35
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David Turell,
2016-08-21, 18:05
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dhw,
2016-08-22, 13:27
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-26, 16:59
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-27, 07:44
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-27, 23:31
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-28, 16:18
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-29, 00:57
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-29, 12:35
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-29, 19:03
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-30, 11:47
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-30, 15:32
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-31, 13:04
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-31, 18:20
- Before the Big Bang? alterative theories denied -
David Turell,
2017-06-15, 22:18
- Before the Big Bang? alterative theories denied -
David Turell,
2017-06-18, 23:33
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-09, 15:00
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-10, 11:49
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-10, 17:59
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-11, 08:48
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-11, 15:52
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-12, 08:37
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-12, 22:10
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-13, 12:51
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-13, 21:45
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2023-03-18, 18:55
- Before the Big Bang? a new study - David Turell, 2024-01-31, 17:39
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2023-03-18, 18:55
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-13, 21:45
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-13, 12:51
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-12, 22:10
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-12, 08:37
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-11, 15:52
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-11, 08:48
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-10, 17:59
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
dhw,
2020-12-10, 11:49
- Before the Big Bang? a new view -
David Turell,
2020-12-09, 15:00
- Before the Big Bang? alterative theories denied -
David Turell,
2017-06-18, 23:33
- Before the Big Bang? alterative theories denied -
David Turell,
2017-06-15, 22:18
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-31, 18:20
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-31, 13:04
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-30, 15:32
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-30, 11:47
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-29, 19:03
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-29, 12:35
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-29, 00:57
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-28, 16:18
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-27, 23:31
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
dhw,
2016-08-27, 07:44
- Before the Big Bang? Supersymmetry dead so far -
David Turell,
2016-08-26, 16:59
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-22, 13:27
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-21, 18:05
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-21, 11:35
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-20, 16:33
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-20, 12:19
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-19, 20:36
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
dhw,
2016-08-19, 12:28
- Before the Big Bang? Addendum -
David Turell,
2016-08-19, 00:54
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-18, 22:59
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-17, 23:52
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-17, 12:20
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-16, 18:39
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-16, 12:39
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-16, 00:32
- Before the Big Bang? -
BBella,
2016-08-15, 18:44
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-15, 18:22
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-15, 12:13
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2016-08-14, 19:32
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2016-08-14, 11:11
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-31, 02:46
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-30, 21:10
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-29, 23:31
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-29, 22:01
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-28, 18:42
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-28, 10:16
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-27, 16:24
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-26, 22:22
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-24, 21:02
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-24, 19:33
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-23, 17:06
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-23, 09:52
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-16, 00:34
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-14, 12:01
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-12, 22:52
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-11, 20:58
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-10, 22:22
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-10, 14:39
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-08, 15:11
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-08, 12:34
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-07, 05:40
- Before the Big Bang? -
dhw,
2014-07-06, 22:00
- Before the Big Bang? -
David Turell,
2014-07-04, 02:44