Before the Big Bang? (Origins)

by BBella , Monday, August 15, 2016, 18:44 (3020 days ago) @ David Turell

David's comment: Note the theory does not tell us 'how it all started'; back to 'why is there anything'.
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> > > dhw: Precisely. And we shall never know ‘how it all started', because even if there was a BB, there is no way of knowing what happened BEFORE the BB. Here's a simple theory: the universe never had a beginning. There has been interaction between infinite energy and matter for ever and ever. The observable section of the universe is a mere blob in eternity and infinity. Now prove that theory wrong.
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> > > DAVID: Right, BUT: the arrangement of the known particles and their relationship with quantum mechanics, which can be influenced by the human mind, strongly suggests there is a mind behind all of it.
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> > > dhw: Which makes it rather surprising that some scientists in the field are atheists or agnostics. Maybe the suggestion is not as strong as you would like it to be?
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> > BBella: Maybe the "arrangement of the known particles and their relationship with quantum mechanics, which can be influenced by the human mind," strongly (merely?) suggests the quantum state or fabric of the universe can be influenced by conscious mind, and there is no "mind behind all of it." No great OZ behind the curtain. 
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> > Simply: mind/consciousness did not create the fabric - mind uses it to create.
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> Whose mind? Ours? I can't accept that. The pattern of the particles suggests a planned construction pattern. Only a mind can create such an integrated quantum plan.-What pattern of the particles?