Proof of ID (Introduction)
> dhw: You confine your conclusion to cells, cell communities and insects, and change tack when it comes to the intelligence of humans and, to a lesser degree, that of our fellow animals. Then, suddenly, we have the phenomenon of emergence: human intelligence, you believe, is not confined to biochemistry, but "emerges" from the interplay between biochemistry and quantum energy. Can you find that by examining the human brain? No. And if it's there, you won't find it by examining cellular transport systems either (including those in the brain). The question is always what controls the biochemistry. If you say it's God's programming of the chemicals, and these act automatically, then you may as well say the same about human intelligence, since all our neuroscientists can observe at the moment is biochemistry.-The problem you are skirting in the term 'emergence'. We don't know how life as a phenomenon emerges from the biochemical factory that is the cell, and cells as they cooperate in their various activities. We don't know how mind and consciousness emerge from the brain and its biochemical processes. It is like pornography. Hard to define but I know it when I see or read it. I know my consciousness because I have it. I know I am alive, but I cannot explain life. And neither can anyone else! That is why the debates about free will. That is why proving a method for the origin of life is really impossible. We don't really know what we are proving. That is what is so amazing. Life and consciousness boil down to a basic structure of automatons of cells, and from that life and consciousness appear. If that sounds miraculous, it is, and that is why I need a supernatural source, a universal consciousness we call God.
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