Proof of ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Tuesday, December 17, 2013, 19:34 (3994 days ago) @ David Turell

Dhw: Has anyone ever thought of the possibility that cells and cell communities, no matter how they came into existence, might have a designing intelligence of their own? 
DAVID: No, I haven't. You are proposing What and where did it come from?-I am proposing that cells and cell communities "might have a designing intelligence of their own", and like every other human on this planet, I don't know where any form of intelligence came from.-DAVID (to Matt): Explain how DNA has two levels of coding, as well as layers of other levels of control over the information it uses to create life. You can't, and neither can I, but chance can never do it. With your reasoning please fill the vacuum of the creation of this phenomenon. I will accept an answer of I don't know, which means you cannot reject out of hand other's answers.
Dhw: With your reasoning, David, please explain how your God preprogrammed the very first living cells to pass down programmes for every innovation, adaptation, lifestyle and strategy of every organism that ever lived (apart from his occasional dabble, and those latecomers to whom you attribute free will). I will accept an answer of I don't know, which means you cannot reject out of hand others' answers.
DAVID: I've covered this. Cells sense changes or stimuli and based on the scope of the changes or the strength or type of stimulus, they can provide a limited number of responses whic can cause variation in organisms. All responses covered just as a computer responds to programming.-So a "limited number of responses" covers "all responses" to all situations, which have been preprogrammed in and passed down by the first living cells and thus account for every single innovation, adaptation, lifestyle and strategy of every organism that ever lived (apart from the divinely dabbled). For example ... it's always useful to illustrate such amorphous theories ... God built into the very first cells a programme that would result not only in the evolution of the fire ant (along with every other organism you can think of), but also in its strategy of joining up with other fire ants to create a raft that would counter the effects of flooding. It was all worked out from the very beginning. (Bad luck on the other ants and organisms that didn't inherit the same programme.) I really do wonder how many programmes your God could have squeezed into those first few cells. However, this hypothesis of yours allows you to "reject out of hand" the alternative that your God might have created a flexible form of intelligence that enabled organisms to create their own innovations as and when circumstances allowed or demanded them, e.g. the collective intelligence of the fire ants produced the raft. I demand equal rights for Matt and myself!