Proof of ID (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, December 17, 2013, 21:15 (3994 days ago) @ David Turell

Matt: Since you're injecting intelligence into the formation of the universe, we also have to deal with the issue of trust: What if God doesn't want us to learn some fact about our universe? Isn't it true that he can abrogate the laws of nature to hinder our efforts? How could we ever know? 
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> > This ends the first prong of my challenge.
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> Thank you for that prolonged and complete explanation. I don't buy the point. What you are doing is anthropomorphizing God. I've admitted in the past that I do not know or understand his personality. What he has created and the laws that run the universe are set and comprehensible for us. If he did that by supernatural miraculous means in the past, that is what He is supposed to be capable of. I don't think He will change the rules now that we humans are here. That is what you seem to be describing. We are discussing the here and now, and I don't think the miracles described in the NT ever occurred. They are an invention of the folks who were selling Jesus as more than he was. Yes computers are truthful, and in your sense the universal consciousness has proposed everything beforehand and won't change things now and 'lie', as you put it.-I'm not anthropomorphizing God, I'm making a statement about a generally accepted feature of intelligence. So much so that the the biggest tests in Computer Science involve a machine that is capable of fooling people. -I know your position on miracles I wasn't talking about that per se, I was talking about abrogating nature at all. And to me, positing that God will never lie, lessens the argument that God is an autonomous agent. And it also complicates abiogenesis, because if we were made out of the soup, then necessarily God broke the laws of nature, and if he broke it once, there's no telling if he'll do it again--which again, adds some nasty complexities.

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