Intelligence & Evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, November 24, 2013, 19:01 (4015 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: You are juggling with two meanings of the word "information". The information we acquire through experience is what I meant when I referred to a mindless universe packed with information, which only an intelligent mind can perceive. When I pointed this out, you said you meant "the plan by which life operates", i.e. DNA. Human intelligence also operates through such inborn "information". -I know this. CIA intelligence is information received by spying. This is not the information I am describing. You have not answered the issue. There is information in DNA that runs the plan of life. I am not discussing received information--> 
> dhw; There are two subjects under discussion here: 1) your hypothesis that every innovation/adaptation/lifestyle/strategy was preprogrammed in the very first cells by your God, although sometimes he intervened. 2) My hypothesis that evolution has proceeded not through random mutations or preprogramming of the first cells, but through changes engineered by intelligent cells/cell communities.-I know your proposal. There is no evidence cells are capable of this.
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> dhw: I have searched for any mention by Behe of your God installing billions of innovative programmes into the very first cells, to be passed on through billions of generations. All the websites I have found indicate that he believes in common descent and natural selection, but not in random mutations, and argues that the irreducible complexity (of cells) is an indication of intelligent design. He refuses to be drawn on the nature, motives or methods of a designer. Please give me a reference in which Behe explicitly supports your hypothesis of God preprogramming the very first cells to produce billions of innovations billions of years later.-I admit he does not explicitly say that, but his doctrine of irreducible complexity implies it. He is stating that organs can only be made by planning. By the way he is Catholic.