Intelligence & Evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, October 19, 2013, 21:19 (4051 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: You have agreed that divine preprogramming is the only explanation for innovations, but now oddball forms and lifestyles magically "appear"! -Not entirely magically. Note my reference to epigenetic mechanisms. Obviously I am only making logical guesses, but it is my contention that cells are automatons, but also with epigenetic ability to try out new styles of living (migration), new forms of capture of food (venus fly trap) when the soil is not very carboniferous, new sizes when guppies end up in the wrong stream, new beaks when the size of seeds change (finches). Again, I don't know if God dabbles, or pre-programs these adaptations from the beginnning.-> dhw: So did the exquisitely engineered Venus flytrap 1) magically "appear" unprogrammed and without a clue what it was doing? 2) Did your God intervene and design it separately (Creationism)? 3) Did your God preprogramme it in the first cells? 4) Did its predecessor use its own initiative to design a new form (the intelligent cell)? 5) Did it produce itself through random mutations (neo-Darwinism)? If you insist that cells are automatons that can do nothing but obey their preprogrammed instructions, 2) and 3) are your only choices. Special creation is hardly an option for someone who believes evolution happened, and so you are left only with 3) which is what you agreed to in the first place! (See above.)-As a result of my above statement number 4 is closest to my theory. But again I differ with your theory: the cell uses intelligent information given to it in the beginning. I think the cell has a small group of automatic epigenetic responses from whic hit can make attempts to solve its problem, and this is is when variation occurs and natural election plays a role,The cell itself has no innate intelligence. Choice 3 also is in play as the course of evolution to create H. sapiens drives single cells to complex multicellular animals. As I've stated life appears to be very inventive.-
 
> dhw; The difficulty of replicating OOL is not the issue here. You have again agreed that you think it very likely (not quite as strong as your usual insistence that it's the only explanation) that the first cells were preprogrammed by your God to produce every innovation from eukaroytes to humans, and this is based on your knowledge of biochemistry, in defiance of the 90% of egotistical, non-believing biochemists. Ah well, David, you may have the last laugh on all of us as you make your preprogrammed way through the pearly gates...-I brought up OOL only because it is very obvious that highly complex cells are required to be alive, and threfore their DNA was highly complex from the beginning, ergo, God's intelligent information was in place.