Intelligence & Evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, November 03, 2013, 01:02 (4037 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: What does "life invention" mean? How does life invent? Living materials HAVE life, but any invention or adaptation has to come through and from the materials themselves or from your God if he exists. ..... Yes indeed, pure guesswork. And I'm surprised that biochemical observation can tell you anything about God's plans.-It is obvious that life has the ability to diversify into all sorts of wonderful animals and plants, and the migrating animals, for example, like the monarch butterflies who travel over thousands of miles through several metamorphoses and generations, and yet they do it each year. We have no idea how this developed, but if we accept evolution, it happened somehow. You and Ihave rejected chance. The only thing left is some type of planning. You want a committee of celll to do it. But it is hard for committees to reach the right conclusion every time, without some planning-> 
> dhw; The waters are already muddy, which is why I'm asking for clarification! If you can't imagine how automatons can produce a kidney by choosing unknowingly between a), b) and c), why suggest it in the first place? Why not stick to your God's preprogramming (or special creation) of kidneys and every other innovation into the first organisms? At least it's simpler!-I didn't say that automatonistic cells made a kidney. That is your suggestion. My a,b,c, automatic responses are to create minor variations for natural selection to act upon, but that process does not cause speciation or kidneys. Only an indwelling plan in DNA or God's active intervention does that kind of creation, and I have no way of telling which is correct.- 
> dhw; The problem is innovation, not some degree of variation. All the new organs and all the new ways of life: preprogrammed from the beginning, or specially created. Or, strangely, some biochemists have actually observed how cells and cell communities communicate and cooperate...but no, perish the thought that they could be anything more than automatons...-Yes the problem is innnovation. The cells are programmed to coooperate automatically and so they are observed to do so.