Intelligence (Origins)

by BBella , Monday, March 25, 2013, 06:14 (4259 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Hope this post doesn't get too confusing. Sorry to back track a bit. I'm just catching up on the posts. Tony, this recent post brought out a question I've sat on the back burner and let brew. -
>>DHW: My comment applies to both atheistic materialism and theism. Your world view excludes the possibility that first-cause energy is mindless.
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> Actually, it doesn't. The origin of a singular entity we call God very well could have been mindless energy. Or it could have been the Something from Nothing Harry Potter Physics explanation. You will not find any speculation about the origin of God in the Bible.-I was glad to see your "open-minded" response above about the possibilities of the nature of the first-cause energy. I'm still pondering questions about this myself. Not sure of anything. But if there is a fence, I'm still sitting on it here between the " Ain and the Ain Soph."(taken from our prior discussion in January) Your quoted words from the Qabala slightly rearranged below:->...[what I call] the 'All That Is' [could be the] nebulous, having no form, purpose, intelligence, personality, infinite and unknowable. [Then] God, Ain Soph, [became] the product [from this nebulous], [by becoming] self-realization, awakening to awareness, the prime movement, first thought, or first emination. In short, it is not so much that nothing was prior to God as much as it is that it is impossible to speculate upon it."-Yet, I think this is the place we are all speculating upon. Or, the point where dhw and I are both speculating - what could be called Panpsychism (I could be wrong, dhw, correct me if so). The soup or nebulous from which "God" that you believe created all things sprung. Near correct? -You then went on to continue the quote from the Qabala: ->"Before He gave any shape to the world, before He produced any form, He was alone, without form and without resemblance to anything else. Who then can comprehend how He was before the Creation? Hence it is forbidden to lend Him any form or similitude, or even to call Him by His sacred name, or to indicate Him by a single letter or a single point. . . . But after He created the form of the Heavenly Man, He used him as a chariot wherein to descend, and He wishes to be called after His form, which is the sacred name 'YHWH'.[1]-I know it sometimes seems as tho we are stuck in a revolving door here, but maybe each time we go around something new comes of it, I know it has for me.-If the creator of all things sprung from this nebulous, I would think that the nebulous itself, before God, couldn't have been without intelligence or purpose, because from it sprung God, and it would only make sense that God sprung from some form of intelligence and/or purpose. My thinking is, if from this nebulous sprung the creator of all things, why couldn't the nebulous itself not be the creator of all things, including or apart from what we call God?