Intelligence (Origins)

by David Turell , Friday, March 01, 2013, 19:12 (4284 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw:My hypothetical first-cause "baby intelligence" grows by unplanned, experimental evolution, just as complexity grows from the invention of new organs by my hypothetical unselfconscious "intelligent cell/genome". Neither by chance, nor by some overriding purpose.-You have a point. the universe went from hot plasma, to energy particles, to galaxies with planets, all following underlying laws we have discovered. But rules of action and law come from intelligent planning. If at first there was amorphous disorganized energy, how does anyting develop from that point? I know you do not propose the changes to more organization were not by chance. So how does the energy advance?-
> dhw: Furthermore, you insist that the evolution of intelligence can only be "planned", and yet you also insist that a self-aware, infinitely clever intelligence was NOT planned, but has simply existed forever. I really can't see that such a scenario is any more believable than one in which a simpler, unselfconscious intelligence (that of inorganic chemicals followed by that of organic cells) evolved into our own self-aware cleverness.-I cannot believe your senario, unless I accept the idea that in an unguided evolution of energy proceeded by chance to a more organized state. our self-aeareness is very organized energy.-
>dhw: My hypothetical version has "intelligent", unselfconscious energy making the "intelligent" unselfconscious chemicals which have made the same laws. Neither God nor chance.-Where did the intelligence in 'your energy' come from? There must intelligence in a first cause as a necessary given.