Intelligence (Origins)

by dhw, Tuesday, March 05, 2013, 12:17 (4279 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: I'm totally confused. You have infused raw energy with knowledge, information, or intelligence. Really? What carries this info? How is it transmitted through evolution? What originated this info? Or did it arise de novo without thought or planning? Is the info in any sort of understandable pattern or is it amorphous? None of your theory tells us about these issues.
[...] You can't even define what you are proposing. It is nebulous and does not lead to any proposal that can be researched.-My turn to be confused. We have agreed that there must be a first cause, and that it is energy. Your hypothetical first cause energy is infused with knowledge, information, intelligence, self-awareness, purpose, planning ability, telekinetic powers that enable it to fashion anything from universes to microscopic computers, and you call it God. My nameless hypothetical first cause energy has limited "intelligence", which has formulated systems from which have evolved ever more complex systems and ever increasing "intelligence", as each builds on the progress of its predecessors. Please tell us how your indefinable, nebulous, unresearchable God theory answers the questions you have asked about mine.
 
DAVID: The third way you are looking for is consciousness which is a result of interconnectedness. Quantum consciousness is the key. The only possible conclusion based on what we have learned in the past several hundred years of science. b bella undestands this through her psychic abilities.-I hope BBella will speak for herself about what she understands, but I'd like to make it clear that my hypothesis can easily fit in with her psychic experiences. I am suggesting that matter contains the "intelligence" of the energy that formed it, and both evolve as described above. It may well be that in some people, and even in some other animals, the "intelligent" energy within the brain cells makes contact with the energy of other intelligences, and after death the same process may continue (who knows?). The matter (here, the physical brain) disintegrates, and so the energy may be released along with the knowledge, information etc. it has gained during its physical lifetime. But it is released not into a single, all-knowing, universal being, but into an infinite field of different (even if interconnected) intelligences that have evolved from first-cause energy. Perhaps we can only communicate with our own form of intelligence, although we might also be able to perceive other "realities" (landscapes, sounds, events) since the energy that gives rise to them is never lost. All pure speculation, as Tony says, but this hypothesis offers just as much scope for psychic experiences as the God hypothesis.