Love me or else (Part Two) (Where is it now?)
DHW, I would also like to point your attention to a particular set of verses that I was reminded of while formulating a rebuttal for your question of Abraham. You accused me of ignoring the questions of Job and focusing solely on the flood account, despite the fact that I mentioned numerous other instances where YHWH destroyed cities or cultures. One that I mentioned was Sodom and Gomorrah. Check out Genesis 17:20-33. Had their been even 10 righteous men in the entirety of both cities, he would have spared them. he didn't find ten, but he still spared Lot and his family, not for their sake, but because of Abraham.-Genesis chapter 22 quite clearly, and pointedly, states that the sacrifice of Isaac was a test. I am not certain how that could be misunderstood. Just for clarification, I went back to the KJV(Not my personal because of the numerous translation errors). Nissah, the word rendered 'tempt' in the KJV is more aptly rendered 'tested or proved', but the intent is still the same. Gen 22:1, in the very first line says that Abraham was being tested. The purpose is outlined in 16-18.-16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.-Again, it is not me putting a spin on it. It is exactly what is written there. Now, you might wonder WHY Abraham had to be tested, after he had been called righteous and so-on earlier. The reason is that he had shown some incredible lapses of faith early on, doubting that YHWH would provide him an heir, calling Sarai his sister instead of his wife, etc. So, YHWH made him prove his faith.
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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.
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2012-12-20, 05:57
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2012-12-19, 17:09
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