Love me or else (Part Two) (Where is it now?)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Thursday, December 20, 2012, 17:27 (4357 days ago) @ dhw

I simply hate to see him getting a bum wrap with accusations that ignore a wealth of other information. - 
> DHW 1) on fear
> -Don't take my word for it: Fear-If you read the above link(very short) you will see that there are several words that are all translated as 'fear'.-> 2) DHW: on love
> -If you had this feeling, but did absolutely nothing about it, could it be said that you still loved your wife, or would the utter lack of action indicate that your emotion is a lie? To put the shoe on the other foot, show me 'love', as you mean it. Can you? Can anyone?-> 3) DHW: On innocents
> -First, I say 'so-called innocents' because the texts says they were all wicked. So, you are making the assumption that the people were innocent, I just think the text meant what it said. As to your comparison to Hitler, there is a major difference: Hitler couldn't bring the Jews back if he wanted.-
> 4)DHW: On Hell
> -It makes a lot of difference which word is used. You yourself are notorious for knitpicking words, and yet you do not apply the same standard to your conversations regarding the bible. I get that it is not central to your life, but still.. the root for she'ol is sha'al, which simply means "unknown" or pit(since you can't see or know what is in the bottom of a dark pit). Geeenna was the Valley of Hinom, and a real place here on Earth. Tartarus was used only in a parable. -But let's but your standard to the test, shall we?-Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! (KJV)-Job 14:13 "Oh that Thou wouldst hide me in Sheol, that Thou wouldst conceal me until Thy wrath returns {to Thee,} that Thou wouldst set a limit for me and remember me! (NAS)-......Note that the same word above is translated as Hell over 30 times in the KJV, but if they had translated it as Hell here, it would have buggered up their hell fire doctrine............-Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?" (NKJ)-Now, why would Job WANT to go to your fiery hell? Why would god send Job, whom he declared blameless and upright, to a supposed fiery hell designed for sinners?-"All versions of the Bible except for these three, the Latin Vulgate, the KJV and the NKJV, reject any notion of hell occurring in the original Hebrew Manuscripts of the Old Testament. Also, please especially note from the comparison table that the translators of the Jewish Publication Society Bible and the Tanakh/The Complete Jewish Bible disagree with the Latin Vulgate, the KJV and the NKJV by making no mention of hell whatsoever in their Bibles. If the Jews, who are experts in their own language Hebrew, do not include hell in their Bibles, then this confirms that there is not a single word that means hell in the original Hebrew Manuscripts of the Old Testament. "-Also:-"The Bible refers to fish, birds, animals and man as "souls." Strong's Concordance defines the Hebrew word "soul" as "a breathing creature, animal or man." We know that fish, birds and animals do not know right from wrong, they operate on instinct. So, obviously the word "soul" does not refer to something "spiritual." In fact, it means just the opposite. The common characteristics of all four groups of these living creatures is that they have five senses. All four groups can see, hear, touch, taste and smell. Those are the five senses. The word "soul" refers to a creature that obtains his knowledge through the five senses. "-Without a 'soul' as a spiritual entity residing in your physical form, hell doctrine loses all meaning anyway. -Lastly, and the most damning is Rev 20:14: "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." So hell was cast into hell? That makes no sense if the hell-fire doctrine is true. -> 5) On Job
> -I did answer your talk of Job, though you may not have realized it. The answer is in Job 1:6-11, and goes back to what I was saying about the question of YHWH's universal sovereignty, which is the central theme of the bible. Satan said, in a nutshell, that people would only serve YHWH for what they could get out of him, and that if YHWH was not giving Job all of this stuff that Job would turn away. If YHWH had told Satan to piss off, it would have seemed that he was afraid that Satan was right, regardless of whether or not it was true. So he allowed Job to be tested by Satan. Job passed the test and had everything returned to him 10 fold. (most people forget that last bit)-James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:-
> "People try to spin the bible to fit their own beliefs." Have you considered the possibility that you may be one of them?-Yes, I have considered it, which is one reason why I am very, very cautious and meticulous in my research. It is the very reason that I go through numerous translations cross referencing them, even to the point of attempting to learn basic Ancient-Hebrew myself.

--
What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.