Love me or else (Part One) (Where is it now?)

by David Turell , Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 18:30 (4358 days ago) @ dhw


> TONY: Also, you might want to check some of your statements regarding their accuracy. The hellfire doctrine is not biblically sound. No where in the bible does it talk about eternal damnation or torment of the dead. In fact, it specifically says that the dead are conscious of nothing.
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> dhw:There are several quite specific mentions of hell or Hades. Here is just one (modern translation) from Luke 16, 22-25 (edited for brevity and relevance): Also the rich man died and was buried. And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, he existing in torments, and he saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus [...] So he called and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me [...] because I am in anguish in this blazing fire. But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you received in full your good things in your lifetime, but Lazarus correspondingly the injurious things. Now, however, he is having comfort here, but you are in anguish.' (Later, there is reference to "this place of torment.") Conscious of nothing? No torment of the dead? Why tell such an anecdote if it's not to be taken seriously?-All of this proves, we should stay away from arguing about the Bible. It is a human invention, with no proof it is the word of God, another human invention. Use science. God is there.