Other Forms of Life (Evolution)
David, How can we know for sure universe had a finite beginning, as in, nothing was before it? Can't universe be a product of what was before, whatever that was, if indeed universe had a 'beginning?' > > David, you wrote: "certainly, an eternal something gets rid of the possibility of a creation." Can you explain what this sentence means? - BBella: Perhaps I was not clear enough in my preceding sentences. there are only two possibilities before our universe appeared: either there was something or there was nothing. Leibnitz raised the question almost four centuries ago: "why is there something rather than nothing?" - George wants our universe to appear out of a quantum fluctuation, that is from a pre-existing space like the one in our universe that has 'virtual' quanta popping in and out of existence. George must assume or claim that such a space always existed, and therefore is eternal. But if there was an absolute void, no quanta at all to pop in and out, then there was nothing, the other possibility. - I happen to accept the Greek philosophy that there has to be a 'first cause' to give us something. You really cannot get something from nothing. Goerge will claim that the first cause is an eternal space with quanta, no willed creation. From, my research I think first cause is a universal intellect,called God by religions, and He created our universe from nothing, from an absolute void. That is what I meant in the sentence you questioned.
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