Other Forms of Life (Evolution)

by BBella , Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 19:26 (5623 days ago) @ David Turell

However my preferred answer, as I&apos;ve expressed before, based on the logical principle of Ockham&apos;s Razor, is that the universe appeared as a &quot;fluctuation in the void&quot;, involving no pre-existing intelligence. <&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> As I have stated before, I disagree with George. Occam (my spelling) has to be extended to the following considerations or is not logical. The only void-like space we know is the vacuum in this universe. We cannot know what is outside our universe. It is expanding and should be expanding into an absolute void. There may be an absolute void, outside our universe, with no energy or &apos;virtual&apos; energy particles. It is a possibility it may be like our universe with &apos;virtual&apos; quantum particles, popping in and out of existence in the space between galaxies. The Big Bang may represent a quantum fluctuation within a space like our universe has, but that seems unreasonable, since our universe has a finite beginning. - David, How can we know for sure universe had a finite beginning, as in, nothing was before it? Can&apos;t universe be a product of what was before, whatever that was, if indeed universe had a &apos;beginning?&apos; Like a new born, universe may be a product of that which was before, like with the scientist you mentioned earlier, that created new elements from that which already was, yet, they are brand new elements. If we have nothing from before to compare to, can&apos;t what IS now just be &apos;new&apos; creation from the old? - &#13;&#10;>Where is that other space now, beyond the background microwave radiation (from the Big Bang) at the edge of the universe? What George wants is an eternal space, small in size, with virtual particles, and then he can have his quantum fluctuation which produces a universe with 10 to the 8oth power of particles. Certainly, an eternal &apos;something&apos; gets rid of the possibility of a &apos;creation&apos;. - David, you wrote: &quot;certainly, an eternal something gets rid of the possibility of a creation.&quot; Can you explain what this sentence means?