Afterlife: Matt Take Notice!!! (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, January 07, 2012, 05:09 (4683 days ago) @ David Turell

Be a "real scientist?" Really?

First... I take issue with your suggestion of dismissal. I bought Sabom's
book--and you should remember well my writings about the part of your book
that dealt with what we call psychic phenomenon. If you recall, I left
positively intrigued and was even waxing philosophical about some of my own
possible experiences. I intended to read Reynold's story from his book as
I thought that the website did not give me enough information.
Nowhere did I say that the story at large was bogus... I don't think you
were quite fuming, but reign in your frustration a bit, it's unbecoming!

Nowhere am I NOT being scientific about this. From the story given, I
decided I needed more information.

However--it's patently hard to be "scientific" about this. It's a personal experience. I can no more verify Pam's experience than Christ risen. In fact, in a direct sense, the claims are identical. In Christ's case I have to take the eyewitness word of 4 Gospels. In our case, I have to take Pam's and her doctor's "word for it" and it is at this level that we cannot be scientific-->Methodological materialism does not even apply. We're beyond science here, and you will do well to recognize it. (Or demonstrate why I'm wrong here.)

I'm no less "scientific" about Pam's story than I am towards anything else we've discussed. But as I've said before I make clear distinctions between observation, fact, experience, and knowledge, but in all circumstances in my hierarchy, knowledge + experience trumps. (This is in fact, why mathematics is alluring...)

I've also said before, science that isn't replicable, isn't science. I hold to that. So asking me to be a "real scientist...?" sorry, that's exactly what I'm doing.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"