Afterlife: Matt Take Notice!!! (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Thursday, January 05, 2012, 03:01 (4685 days ago) @ dhw

Now we move on to the "veridical NDEs."

I still feel after hearing Pam's story that I'm not being given enough story to play with. What was the layout of the OR, where was the door, what kind of view did she have while being wheeled into the room, but most importantly, how can we verify that sense perceptions fail when we're "practically" dead?

David will probably find this a cop-out, but I cannot make a judgment here. I have dozens of questions--mind--but I have a difficult time believing this story as-is. Part of it is because the only solution is Cartesian dualism. And nearly every philosophy that ever existed has extremely good arguments against dualism--Buddhism notwithstanding. I recently discussed a book attempting to re-establish dualism, and it was one of the biggest rubbish piles I'd ever read. (Didn't even mention NDE's like Pam's, which you would think...)

Still... it stinks of human clinging: NDEs seem very often to rotate back to loved ones (typically deceased) and whatever cultural realm of death you inherited. <--This speaks to me of the intrusion of conditioned human experience and informs me that the answer lies somewhere in a mixed state of consciousness.

I have yet to come across the writings, but there&apos;s an ancient Chinese Zen master named Chih &apos;i who was supposed to have written treatises on advanced meditation. (The technical term is called, Dyhana.) Supposedly, some of these ancient Zen Master&apos;s have reported being able to consciously separate from their bodies. If you&apos;ve read the writings of more modern-day &quot;magisters&quot; such as Aliester Crowley or Michael Ford, who claim(ed) to be able to enter other people&apos;s bodies to influence them. The writings of Hermetic Christians and Kabbalists have also confirmed for many, the existence of an eternal soul.

I don&apos;t know that any of this answers your question or maybe gives you some background on my reluctance to broach the issue: I&apos;m not really going to be able to put stock in fantastical experiences lacking the experience myself.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"