Intelligent design (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Tuesday, November 15, 2011, 19:23 (4735 days ago) @ Abel

Abel,

I have been absent from this forum for a while due to life, but in the last day I have read over your posts, and came up with a number of points I would like to add. While I am sure some of them will seem offensive at first, just consider them as wisdom instead of intelligence and I am certain you will see their validity.

Point 1:

Stop being such a prick. You came here and presented a wild idea, which is fine, but instead of arguing your idea on a point by point basis you have slandered nearly everyone that has questioned your idea. DHW, DT, Bella, Xeno, George and the other regulars on this website are people and intellectuals of the highest caliber. In addition, they are my friends and I get a bit pissy when people are rude, insulting, and slanderous to my friends. You have not presented anything here that seems to give you any right or reason to be so smug or self-righteous. So stop being smug and self-righteous. While the others might be too nice or polite to put it so bluntly, I'm not.

Point 2:

Answer direct questions directly. You have pointedly ignored or deflected the vast majority of the specific questions posed to you. These questions are not meant to be insulting but rather to find help those of us who are not familiar with your ideas to understand them in their entirety. The questions are only asked because YOU were unclear, illogical, irrational, or otherwise ambivalent in presenting your idea. If you want the very intelligent people on this site to take your idea as one with any degree of intellectual sincerity, then treat your own idea as such. The burden of proof is on the presenter, i.e. you. The vast majority of the time, the person presenting the material is the one responsible when others do not understand or appreciate it.

Point 3:

This is just sound personal advice... Stop telling people you are an alien, an archangel, or anything other than human unless you have incontrovertible evidence. Genetic anomalies in an otherwise normal human genome, or cellular anomalies in an otherwise normal cell are very very weak evidence. Saying that you look like a white guy with an Asian skull and black man's blood makes you on par with the rest of the human race since globalization occurred. You are also part Neanderthal in all probability as well. That still wouldn't make you unique.

Incontrovertible proof would/could involve things such as the following:
If you are an alien, provide evidence of your ability to travel to or from your point of origin, preferably while carrying some manner of testing equipment that would allow someone to confirm that you did in fact move.

If you are an angel or whatever, perform a few miracle, or what could be classified as miracles, or any other form of non-human activity in front of a panel of experts with some way of measuring your activities.

In short, as my grandfather(a very wise man) would put it, "Put your money where your mouth is or keep it to yourself." If you prefer, the short version is, 'Put up or shut up.'

Now that the two unpleasant bits that I had to say are out of the way, I will comment on some of the points that I think have merit.

Point 4:

I agree that, should we ever manage to get down to the nuts and bolts of everything, we will find EM to be at the core. However, until I see some proof of dark matter, dark energy, or any other form of matter or energy that can not be seen, tested, detected, or otherwise directly observed I can not bring myself to use those forms as the basis for any rational argument.

So, before I get into questioning your idea to closely, I suggest that we start at the very fundamental building blocks of your whole concept by asking: Can you prove that dark matter or dark energy exist? And by this I mean proof that any and every person could accept as proof, i.e. direct observation of the phenomena.

Observations of effects do not count in my humble opinion. The reason should be quite clear if you are familiar with scientific history at all. Observation of indirect affects leads to completely erroneous concepts like a flat earth or heat transfer via aether.

Point 5:

I am a theist, and I make no bones about it. As such, I feel it would be hypocritical of me to chastise you for believing in UI's, Aliens, God, gods, goddesses, magic, or purple elephants with white spots. So, whether you believe it or not, I actually welcome your speculation on these topics. Please, though, do be mindful of how incredulous your own words sound, and how you come across to others.

Hopefully, you will take these for how they are meant, which is as a fresh start for you to come into our little web based home and treat the people here with the consideration and respect that they deserve while presenting reasoned and rational discussions of topics that we are all curious or passionate about.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.