Intelligent design (Introduction)
dhw: "Once upon a time in the realms of dark matter – the nature of which is unknown to all humans except yourself – the first basic forms of life spontaneously but inevitably assembled themselves on low-entropy Planet X."
Since you have also addressed your desire in an earlier post that I compare and contrast my theory of dark matter abiogenesis with its' more conventional counterpart, I shall try to do so now.
In my last post I addressed the need for others to empirically explore the nature of dark matter, and supplied the means to do so. I hope that, eventually, this will make the existence and nature of dark matter apparent to all, even most skeptics.
When asked what scientists would look for when trying to find alien life on Mars they said, "negative entropy". This is the fundamental definition of life. Life harnesses free energy from its' environment, converts that energy to work that in turn is used to assemble the materials from which that life is made. High positive entropy requires a high metabolic load to overcome it, letting matter "live" by definition. Therefore life has a greater chance of overcoming the erosive effects of entropy in a low entropy environment, also by definition. So if low entropy matter exists (as now can be proven) then life had the greatest chance of evolving within that type of matter. This is the first advantage that dark matter abiogenesis has over conventional abiogenesis.
The second advantage this theory has is one of matter and time. When the existence of dark matter is proven to your satisfaction, you will have to consider that it does consist of the vast majority of the matter in our universe. But until then lets discuss conventional matter and the probability that life evolved somewhere else first rather than on earth. On earth, we have two hundred million years on an earth sized-ball of matter before life evolved. However the milky-way galaxy is estimated to have 500 million planets in the habitable zone. Let's say 100 million of these are suitable for life as we know it. By conservative estimates, life began on earth when the milky way was about 4 billion years old. Using this model, I have 20 times as much time and 100 million more chances of life evolving somewhere else first rather than earth. This means that, in conventional matter, life is 2 billion times more likely to have evolved on another planet(s) first other than earth. If you were at the track, which horse would you bet on?
dhw: These then spontaneously but inevitably evolved into mortal predators and prey which eventually evolved spontaneously but inevitably into gods who were mortal and immortal (= a “measure of immortalityâ€).
Here I will address what a "measure of immortality" might be for an organism made of EM-matter. For a organism with single stranded RNA, as simple organisms are, we are talking about a lifespan of around 4000 years. Multistranded RNA or DNA creatures made of EM matter could survive for 40,000 years or more.
"dhw: One day these gods climbed into their spacecraft and for some reason headed for Planet Earth, which they “bioformed†for life though its high entropy made it a kind of hell. (So what was the point of choosing it in the first place?) "
This civilization could be so ancient that its' first move to another bioformed planet might have been an exodus from their own to escape a dying sun. They may be so ancient that they have made such an exodus on more than one occasion.
Life was started in matter as we understand it, so that the creators could master this form of matter and use the technologies that that mastery provided. Intelligent life with hands were the tools they made. These "tools" could be "possessed" by their technology to manipulate matter which was otherwise very difficult to manage. Eventually, the creativity and design of these "tools" came to be desired in heaven. This creativity also gave the creators things that they had never dreamed: living gems. Things that were not only wonderful because of the beauty of their design, but by the beauty and creativity of their nature. Laughter, rarely heard in heaven, was born as were stories, songs, creativity, fundamental technologies and a labor force to do the simple things that needed to be done to run every society.
(continued next post)
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Abel,
2011-10-26, 23:40
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Abel,
2011-10-26, 23:41
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dhw1,
2011-10-27, 17:37
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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David Turell,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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2011-11-10, 02:43
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-08, 19:47
- Intelligent design -
dhw,
2011-11-08, 16:14
- Intelligent design - Abel, 2011-11-08, 01:13
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-05, 20:20
- Intelligent design -
BBella,
2011-11-07, 21:32
- Intelligent design - dhw, 2011-11-08, 16:18
- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
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Abel,
2011-11-02, 04:55
- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-02, 23:04
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-03, 00:57
- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
2011-11-03, 14:30
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-03, 21:13
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Abel,
2011-11-03, 21:13
- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
2011-11-03, 14:30
- Intelligent design -
BBella,
2011-11-03, 04:25
- Intelligent design - Abel, 2011-11-04, 18:43
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-03, 00:57
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-02, 23:04
- Intelligent design -
BBella,
2011-11-02, 01:43
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-02, 00:38
- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
2011-11-02, 01:01
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-02, 04:49
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Abel,
2011-11-02, 04:49
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-31, 01:10
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-31, 01:08
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-28, 23:22
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2012-02-21, 18:52
- Intelligent design - David Turell, 2012-02-21, 20:45
- Intelligent design -
dhw,
2011-10-28, 17:41
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-28, 07:56
- Intelligent design - xeno6696, 2011-11-09, 01:57
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-28, 01:35
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-27, 22:14
- Intelligent design -
xeno6696,
2011-11-09, 01:44
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-10, 21:09
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-10, 21:09
- Intelligent design -
dhw1,
2011-10-27, 17:37
- Intelligent design -
xeno6696,
2011-11-09, 01:33
- Intelligent design -
BBella,
2011-11-09, 21:00
- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
2011-11-09, 22:52
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-09, 23:44
- Intelligent design - David Turell, 2011-11-10, 00:34
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-09, 23:44
- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
2011-11-09, 22:52
- Intelligent design -
BBella,
2011-11-09, 21:00
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-26, 23:41