Intelligent design (Introduction)
dhw: "Like BBella and unlike David and Abel, I am not a scientist, but if there is no scientific consensus, I look for coherence in the arguments. There is anything but scientific consensus here, but perhaps as we proceed the arguments may become more convincing. At the moment, I find it easier to imagine the spontaneous evolution of material earthly humans than that of material extra-terrestrial gods."
Time is the flame in which we all burn. Entropy is life's first and longest friend and as well as its' worst and oldest enemy.
In the beginning, the universe was purely quantum in nature, utterly perfect. Every action and reaction was digital, either yes or no. Things only happen in exact places, at exact times, in exact fashions or they don't happen at all.
When matter fell from this state of "grace" it became imperfect and its' interactions imperfect as well. Each successive "fall", from EM matter to M matter or E matter then finally to matter, induced another degree of uncertainty and entropy into the system as integral relationships that added or subtracted perfectly on a a real brane, became a range of values that were referred on an imaginary one (the quadrants that contained these matter/time particles are now empty). Thus interactions that before would have only occurred perfectly at specific times now occur imperfectly all the time.
Though I will expand on this later, I bring it up now to remind you of the degrees of entropy that are growing as matter descends from perfection. In matter as we understand it, entropy is much more "unfriendly" to life than it is "friendly".
In this world many more useful tools are being lost than will ever be made. So while many might believe that humanity will evolve into a higher life form, I do not. Humanity, as a race is advancing genetically towards extinction as the telomeres at the end of our strands of DNA become shorter with each passing eon. First men will quit being born, then women (even if they have stored sperm).
The good news is if humanity has not been destroyed by then for some other reason, they will have the understanding and tools that they need to repair their genome and survive. Hopefully at that time, they will also have the understanding to realize why they have not "evolved" into telepaths yet.
I am a great believer in the truth and logic and perfection. I am not fond of the statistical science of Newtonian physics, but it is a necessary evil, somewhat akin to using a gallop poll to figure out how your wife voted. Newtonian physics exists because of the sloppy math of imperfect matter.
And that sloppy math is sloppiest in matter as we understand it.
Now as I try to explain these forms of matter to you (with mixed results) imagine if I was trying to teach them to a barbarian 5000 years ago. I might show them a time ship that could do the things that you saw in those links that I posted. Then I would tell them that the vast majority of the universe was composed of just four forms of matter (elements). The ship you are seeing is made of normal matter (earth), when it expresses its' M-matter nature it burns with light brightly (fire), when I tilt it the other way you can see its' silvery E-matter nature (water), and it is all powered (given life) by a radioactive isotope of EM-matter that cannot be seen (Air).
Or on the other hand I might say, dark matter has a Trinity of materials that God uses to create those that we call souls, archangels and spirits. Or they might say that a being that could control matter as we understand it must be composed of a Trinity of dark matter elements to so that it can manipulate material things.
But then if you were trying to civilize barbarians and make them follow your laws and study your sciences, you might have told them that you were a god too.
This world once had a need for religion, and in some ways that need still exists. But you will not find me in this world's churches, temples or mosques. Though I subscribe to some of their tenets, I try to "walk the walk" and try not to be too annoyed with those that merely "talk the talk". I actually practice the tenets of honesty, tolerance and peace that these religions preach, and stay clear of all the in-fighting and violence that occurs as proud men fight and kill each other as they vie to decide who is the most loving and peaceful.
I generally prefer animals to people. They manage to "walk the walk" without talking at all. But they aren't as divorced from their instincts (God's laws) as we are.
If these beliefs sound strange to you, it is because they are the simple beliefs of a simple man.
Also dhw, I feel I should correct you. Technically I am not a scientist. Though my gifts as a scientist are well known, I am only a craftsman.
Complete thread:
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-26, 23:40
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-10-26, 23:41
- Intelligent design -
dhw1,
2011-10-27, 17:37
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Abel,
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Abel,
2011-10-28, 01:35
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Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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dhw,
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dhw,
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Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
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- Intelligent design -
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- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design - Abel, 2011-11-08, 01:13
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
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- Intelligent design - dhw, 2011-11-08, 16:18
- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
BBella,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-03, 00:57
- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-02, 23:04
- Intelligent design -
BBella,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-02, 00:38
- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-02, 04:49
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Abel,
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Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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dhw,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
xeno6696,
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-10, 21:09
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
dhw1,
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- Intelligent design -
xeno6696,
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- Intelligent design -
BBella,
2011-11-09, 21:00
- Intelligent design -
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
2011-11-09, 23:44
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- Intelligent design -
Abel,
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- Intelligent design -
David Turell,
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- Intelligent design -
BBella,
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- Intelligent design -
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