Abiogenesis (Origins)
Viruses are living parasites that enter a living cell and use the genetic material in that cell to reproduce itself. If one claims that the full definition of life requires the organism to be totally self-sustaining and self-reproducing, then viruses are not truly 'fully' live. > > Ok... so who/what says that the first steps to life as we know it had to be 'fully' live on our terms? > > > > So how do you draw a line between living and not? What is your definition for life? > > > > There are conflicting definitions; mine is simple. Grow to a certain size, maintain that structure, reproduce itself, using a chemical digestive system for protein production and energy consumption. > > As above, what if the process that led to a living thing/population (by your definition) were simpler than that... but still got there in the end? (Or the beginning as it were.)-You are simply raising the same issues we all have. We know many of the secrets of life today. No one knows how we got to this point. Starting in a less complex fashion is a reasonable proposition, but it hasn't worked so far in the labs, starting in the mid-1950's.
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dhw,
2011-08-01, 13:42
- Abiogenesis - xeno6696, 2011-08-02, 02:00
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-02, 17:03
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-02, 23:41
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 00:34
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-03, 04:08
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Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-03, 04:08
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 00:34
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-03, 11:35
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:21
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David Turell,
2011-08-04, 15:42
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 22:25
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David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:04
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:28
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David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:42
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:04
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David Turell,
2011-08-10, 18:10
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-13, 01:27
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David Turell,
2011-08-13, 03:26
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-13, 03:41
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David Turell,
2011-08-13, 03:26
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-13, 01:27
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David Turell,
2011-08-10, 18:10
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:04
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:28
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:45
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-19, 15:38
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David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:04
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 22:25
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 20:44
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:29
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-05, 20:52
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:05
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-09, 15:59
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:05
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dhw,
2011-08-05, 20:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:29
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 17:48
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 18:11
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:22
- Abiogenesis-earliest life? -
David Turell,
2011-08-22, 13:31
- Abiogenesis-earliest life? - dhw, 2011-08-23, 16:19
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-04, 15:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:26
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 21:02
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:51
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:19
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:48
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broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:09
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David Turell,
2011-08-09, 05:52
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:43
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David Turell,
2011-08-09, 05:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:09
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-09, 16:07
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:48
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:50
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 18:58
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:38
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-05, 21:12
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:29
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 19:28
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:41
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 00:57
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 01:02
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 01:22
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 01:43
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 01:22
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 01:02
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 00:57
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:19
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:51
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 21:02
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:21
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-02, 23:41
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-05, 23:31
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 02:42
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 10:56
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-07, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-07, 18:15
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-08, 15:09
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:44
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 15:14
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:48
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 15:14
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-07, 18:15
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-07, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:36
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 20:07
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 10:56
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 11:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 16:03
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:49
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 19:14
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:58
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-16, 05:35
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-19, 20:24
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-16, 05:35
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:58
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 19:14
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:49
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 16:03
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 02:42