Abiogenesis (Origins)

by broken_cynic , Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 00:48 (4855 days ago) @ David Turell


> > 1) I'm confused. Are you using the terms God and UI interchangeably? If not, are you positing a UI which extends beyond the universe, creating the rules we play by and a 'God' which is constrained by those rules as we are?
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> See my current reply to Matt. God and UI are one and the same for me. I am a panentheist, believe in first cause. The UI is eternal and therefore within and without the universe.-Then you contradict yourself as you said (in the same post) that UI created the rules, but God was bound by them.-> > 2) Wouldn't a simpler* resolution to your quandary be to assume that the success of chance at creating life is your one miracle rather than compounding extra inexplicable miracles on top of extraordinary miracles to explain that single one that so bugs you?
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> > * I originally typed 'the simplest,' but I can suggest one simpler. ;)
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> I think simplest is a fine word. You and I have two choices: chance or design. -I think we have infinite choices, but only one so far that fits the evidence without excessive unnecessary complications. (One complication, but 'boggling the mind' isn't exactly the most overwhelming obstacle any theory has ever faced.)-> Further either the UI is eternal or the universe is eternal. Science is attempting to prove the latter, i.e., Penrose and his CMB circles, etc. I'll agree with you when science proves eternity for space-time or phase space, which ever it is,thank you, Smolin. All my conclusions depend on the science presented, not the Bible.-I... what? Where on earth do you ground the assumption that one or the other must be eternal??? What do you even mean by eternal given that time as we experience and (sort of) comprehend it is a concept which starts and ends with our universe!-And where did the Bible come into this?