Abiogenesis (Origins)
Dhw: Atheism therefore expressly rejects the existence of a designer and hence the theory of design. >KENT: Agreed. (Wednesday 3 August at 18.21)->>>dhw: "If you categorically reject deliberate design..." >>KENT: I do not. (Thursday 4 August at 23.29)-> dhw: I hope you will understand my confusion. Are you an atheist or not?-Even as I begin to try and simplify the pages of discussion currently standing between us, this bit deserves a direct response.-1. I am indeed an atheist. 2. I do not see everything, even questions like this, through some kind of lens of atheism. 3. If I were to be really pedantic I could say that no, atheism does not expressly reject the possibility of a design/er, only the silly/impossible/limited human formulations of gods. An intelligent being in an 'outer' universe intentionally creating this universe isn't out of the question. But that would be a discussion more about definition than (conjectural) substance and likely not worth having. 4. (most relevant answer) Due to my own take on the context of each, I answered the first question as if it were a question about atheism and the second as if it were a question about science. Atheism does reject the designers that religions posit, full stop. From a scientific perspective, no hypothesis that doesn't contradict the data is off the table until one has enough evidence to cobble together a good theory (and even then, it remains happily vulnerable to an improved theory with greater accuracy and predictive power.)
Complete thread:
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-01, 13:42
- Abiogenesis - xeno6696, 2011-08-02, 02:00
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-02, 17:03
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-02, 23:41
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 00:34
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-03, 04:08
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-03, 18:09
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-03, 04:08
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-03, 23:30
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 00:34
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-03, 11:35
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:21
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-04, 15:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 22:25
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:04
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:28
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:04
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-10, 18:10
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-13, 01:27
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-13, 03:26
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-13, 03:41
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-13, 03:26
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-13, 01:27
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-10, 18:10
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:04
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:28
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:45
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-19, 15:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:04
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 22:25
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 20:44
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:29
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-05, 20:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:05
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-09, 15:59
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:05
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-05, 20:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:29
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 17:48
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 18:11
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:22
- Abiogenesis-earliest life? -
David Turell,
2011-08-22, 13:31
- Abiogenesis-earliest life? - dhw, 2011-08-23, 16:19
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-04, 15:42
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:26
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 21:02
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:51
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:19
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:48
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:09
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 05:52
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:43
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 05:52
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 02:09
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-09, 16:07
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 01:48
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:50
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 18:58
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 00:38
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-05, 21:12
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-09, 18:29
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 19:28
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:41
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 00:57
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 01:02
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 01:22
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 01:43
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 01:22
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 01:02
- Abiogenesis -
xeno6696,
2011-08-10, 00:57
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-05, 03:19
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-04, 23:51
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-04, 21:02
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-03, 18:21
- Abiogenesis -
Balance_Maintained,
2011-08-02, 23:41
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-05, 23:31
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 02:42
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 10:56
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-07, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-07, 18:15
- Abiogenesis - dhw, 2011-08-08, 15:09
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:44
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 15:14
- Abiogenesis - broken_cynic, 2011-08-10, 00:48
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 15:14
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-07, 18:15
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-07, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 15:50
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:36
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-09, 20:07
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 10:56
- Abiogenesis -
dhw,
2011-08-06, 11:38
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 16:03
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:49
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 19:14
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:58
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-16, 05:35
- Abiogenesis - David Turell, 2011-08-19, 20:24
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-16, 05:35
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-10, 00:58
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-09, 19:14
- Abiogenesis -
broken_cynic,
2011-08-09, 01:49
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 16:03
- Abiogenesis -
David Turell,
2011-08-06, 02:42